who the fuck is eddie?
A dlc character that is only available on the Dominican version of the game
Eddie=Freddy
freddy=fredderick
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, liu has faster normals and safer normals, so the footsies game favors liu for sure. Raiden can't punish iafb with a tele and he can thunder tackle it, but you have to time it very strict or it won't work. Up close, liu has alot of mixups to use vs raiden and liu has all neutral strings, so if raiden teles, i can punish it since tele is like -13. I dnt even think raiden can punish liu when he teles while liu is doing a high fb and liu wins the zoning game.
i'm keeping it 5-5, and alot of ppl agree too so I'll just wait till i get my hands on reo.
sorry salt time haha, but that mu is in liu's favor. This comes from experience playing a high lvl liu at home all the time. Reptile has slow ass normals and can't zone liu at all bcuz his projectiles aren't as fast. Liu gets and easy punish on a dash with standing 2,1,3 and he can blow up reptiles d4 with a b3,1,2. Reptile has to fight an uphill battle the whole fight and liu is in control, liu can also rush reptile down as well. Forceballs and dashes are pretty much demolished completely by liu, and those are two very key things for reptile. All u can really do is try and close the distance and deal with liu's superb footsies. This all comes from experience as well, i'm not throwing around theories.
I'm not denying Liu has better projectiles and as I previously stated, Raiden cannot really punish Liu's zoning with a teleport since he recovers really well. Raiden still has a solid projectile to counter with and it can stop the flow of Liu's zoning, especially EX fireball for Raiden.
lao def wins that mu, main reason being he abuses liu's hitbox and liu has to be careful when throwing a fb, also lao's standing 2 faster than lius and has more distance. Got to be careful in the footsies game bcuz lao has 2,1 and 2,4 and lao will be able to build meter better bcuz liu has to deal with his 2,1. You can poke out of 2,1 pressure, but got to be very careful bcuz he could just spin or jump over you, it's a complete guess on what he'll do while pressuring you with 2,1. The best thing going for liu in this mu is liu's iafb can work well and even hit lao before his tele comes out and liu can do some dmg up close with his mixups/ punish anything lao whiffs with ease.
cage beats raiden by the way, most agree with that and there are plenty of reaons for that. Liu is way faster than raiden, that will be a hugh problem when liu gets close and in the footsies game. Liu's b3,1,2 is gdlk and will blow up b3,1,2 of raiden's bcuz raiden's is slower. It isn't hard expecting a tele, and even if u dnt punish it, it is free pressrue for me. If you whiff one thing, b3,1,2 freely. Raiden will not be able to keep a life lead easily bcuz i'll back him up to the corner and bait a tele since that is his only good option for getting out the corner. I should've played b wizz at dallas but didn't play him in that mu bcuz i was helping him with the cage mu and my bro helped him with the rax mu. We can agree to disagree for sure.
yep, denzell agrees too and this is from xp as well, i'm not just throwing numbers out. I listed my reasons why too.
Yeah man I totally respect your opinion, especially someone who actually knows what they're tlaing about due to experience and general high level play
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i'll ask my bro what he thinks as well, if he agrees it is a 5-5 then i'll go on ahead and change it.Yeah man I totally respect your opinion, especially someone who actually knows what they're tlaing about due to experience and general high level play
However I do disagree. I would like to see this MU played out a little more in order to convince me otherwise but anyways the point about Raiden's teleport is that it's a mind game. You think if he's cornered he'll teleport out so you wait. Then he can just grab you and switch positions. Or he can bait out a teleport but he does EX instead and you attack early and get whiff punished. Fighting Raiden means you have to adapt to his style of play.
Liu Kang is most effective when he is controlling the pace of the match up close or from far since he has so many tools. Against Raiden however, he and many other characters, have to respect Raiden's tools that dampen the effect of Liu's tools.
Thanks for your input though, nice to see another point of view.
Would you mind going into the Sonya matchup in more detail?
heck I'm just done with mu discussions now haha, I say one thing, others disagree, then it just leads to back and forth arguments. But if u need help in the mu then I'll help someone in a mu anytime.
nice analysis of the mu, I'll take this. 5-5, 6-4 dnt really matter what ppl have it. I'm sticking with my personal mu chart on what things feel comfortable to me, bcuz it's the player that matters anyways. Also, you better bring skarlet's ass out at the next major you enter, i'm waiting for one to top 8
yes liu can outzone ermac. Up close liu's fast and safe strings will be a problem for mac and liu has some mixups he can incorporate at times. Also in the footsies game, b3,1,2 and f1,2 will work great on closing the distance on ermac. Liu's standing 2 is 8 frames and has pretty good distance as well to use in footsies. The best thing going for ermac i say in this mu would be his iafb and push.
