Strategy LC Punish Options

[SEV]

This is simply a thread to highlight the multiple options you have when punishing an opponent with Lightning Charge, the tried and true and some lesser known options incorporating our Corner Vortex and the Double D2 Quickstand Reset.

As of now, the Flash's current go to follow up to a LC(MB) midscreen is our 32% BnB. Another viable option we have now is a 27% combo leading into a reset using the Double D2 Quickstand Reset:

LC(MB) D2 B3 xx Dash Forward xx Ji3 D2 SP[Far](MB) (27%)

This reset can be tech rolled. If you make the read that they will tech roll, punish accordingly; if you make the read incorrectly you can still get free pressure from the Quickstand Reset. The only other option they have is block, which if they do you will still be +11 from the SP(MB) and will get a free 50/50.

As far as the corner goes, our current go to is our double cross up F3 set up for 35%. Now we can also enter into our corner vortex so long as the enemy is cornered by the LC using the combo:

LC(MB) D2 F3 32 D2 SP(MB) (27%)

Lastly, and I believe the most game changing, is our ability to use the midscreen combo up above almost anywhere between midscreen and quarterscreen, as long as you are not exactly midscreen nor close enough to the corner so that your B3 will cause a transition, to corner the opponent and enter the corner vortex. Shown below:

(Combo started from midscreen reset)

So just be aware of your positional options when punishing with Lightning Charge to make sure you're getting the most out of your meter.

AK Harold
Zyphox
LEGEND
Solo_
Red Reaper
Xenrail
SidTheHaze
Chrishaspads
FCP/EMP SCAR
SaJa
BoricuaHeat
AYSAMO

 

[Red Reaper]

I love this... So much stuff to work with....

I don't even know what to end with now. lol.

Krayzie

 

[Zyphox]

great stuff man, am definitely using this as my go to for LC MB midscreen and corner, great stuff!!

 

[Zyphox]

SEV i may have found an easier way to do this midscreen, by doing LC MB d2, b3 j3 d2 into reset. test this out and see of you get same results.

 

[SEV]

SEV i may have found an easier way to do this midscreen, by doing LC MB d2, b3 j3 d2 into reset. test this out and see of you get same results.

Yeah definitely easier and worth the 1% loss, I'm doing LC(MB) D2 xx Dash In xx Ji3 D2 though, you doing it without the dash? Having trouble timing it right without it.

 

[Zyphox]

Yeah definitely easier and worth the 1% loss, I'm doing LC(MB) D2 xx Dash In xx Ji3 D2 though, you doing it without the dash?

yeah LC MB d2, B3 wait for it.... j3 d2 into set up.

 

[yaoding09]

Great great stuff man. Off to the lab I go!

 

[Vocket]

Somehow flash players make more tech threads than TYM makes tier list threads. Great work I am glad I use zoners against him.

 

[SEV]

yeah LC MB d2, B3 wait for it.... j3 d2 into set up.

Gotcha, still finding it a bit easier for me with the dash in, has perfect frame timing.

 

[SEV]

Somehow flash players make more tech threads than TYM makes tier list threads. Great work I am glad I use zoners against him.

This is all known, or at least recently found tech, just applying it to Lightning Charge.

 

[Zyphox]

Gotcha, still finding it a bit easier for me with the dash in, has perfect frame timing.

hey what ever floats your boat haha good stuff man, i have an anti air version of your D2 SP reset. its d2 (anti air) 11, 11, 11, 11 D2 SPc or SP for the mix up, works only in corner so far.

Mdscreen D2 anti air, 32 low to the ground, d2 into set up so far.

Midscreen trait anti air version: D2 trait cancel, LK x5 32, d2 into set up !!! does 36% meterless

 

[Zyphox]

LOL air to air version j2, d2, dash under d2 SP. man these set ups are good, it just sucks that they can tech roll :'( SEV

 

[SEV]

LOL air to air version j2, d2, dash under d2 SP. man these set ups are good, it just sucks that they can tech roll :'( SEV

Yeah that's why when I'm making these I'm trying to get as many hits(I believe it's hits, could be damage) in as possible in because it will decrease the window of time they have to input for the tech roll.

 

[Zyphox]

Yeah that's why when I'm making these I'm trying to get as many hits(I believe it's hits, could be damage) in as possible in because it will decrease the window of time they have to input for the tech roll.

yeah these are all gravity inducing combos, they have a very small window to tech roll, also i found one off the background interactible LOL
starter into back ground, d2 b3, late j3 d2 into set up, only does 25% meterless thoough.

 

[SEV]

Midscreen trait anti air version: D2 trait cancel, LK x5 32, d2 into set up !!! does 36% meterless

Thats some good shit right there considering you'd probably build the meter for the reset by the time you get to it if you didn't have any to begin with.

 

[Zyphox]

Thats some good shit right there considering you'd probably build the meter for the reset by the time you get to it if you didn't have any to begin with.

yeah i'll test more tomorrow its late over here, but good stuff on all this tech you been posting

 

[SEV]

yeah these are all gravity inducing combos, they have a very small window to tech roll, also i found one off the background interactible LOL
starter into back ground, d2 b3, late j3 d2 into set up, only does 25% meterless thoough.

Haha, still good though, and again you'd prob build the meter for the reset if you didn't have it. Good stuff though, you should make a thread similar to this one applying the D2 SP reset, considering you're coming up with it all right now anyways, haha.

 

[SEV]

i have an anti air version of your D2 SP reset. its d2 (anti air) 11, 11, 11, 11 D2 SPc or SP for the mix up, works only in corner so far.

Midscreen AA SP Reset that would probably work is: D2(AA) B22 xx RMS Cancel xx 32 D2, probably would do ~25%. Swag combo if it's even possible though, just theorizing off the similar swag combo.

 

[AYSAMO]

yea definitely gotta learn this

 

[SaJa]

No offence SEV but why making a new thread everytime we already kind of discovered 90% of what you are posting ? This thread should be in here : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/uppercut-quick-stand.36105/..
If we start splitting every thread just because there are few changing or some adds we will be kind of lost and that's why AK Harold probably made such a thread : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/flash-tech-thread.36620/

Look at this : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/the-corner-vortex.37405/ this : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/wall-bounce-corner-vortex.36661/#post-1072812 this : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/wall-bounce-reset.36614/ and this : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/the-corner-reset.37401/#post-1108408

I'm not moderator but I wish we would have 1 thread for cornex vortex, one thread for quick standing upercut, one thread for RMS tech etc instead of having 10 threads for each tech.

What you guys think ? subzerosmokerain

Despite that, good stuff

 

[SEV]

No offence SEV but why making a new thread everytime we already kind of discovered 90% of what you are posting ? This thread should be in here : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/uppercut-quick-stand.36105/..
If we start splitting every thread just because there are few changing or some adds we will be kind of lost and that's why AK Harold probably made such a thread : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/flash-tech-thread.36620/

Look at this : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/the-corner-vortex.37405/ this : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/wall-bounce-corner-vortex.36661/#post-1072812 this : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/wall-bounce-reset.36614/ and this : http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/the-corner-reset.37401/#post-1108408

I'm not moderator but I wish we would have 1 thread for cornex vortex, one thread for quick standing upercut, one thread for RMS tech etc instead of having 10 threads for each tech.

What you guys think ? subzerosmokerain

Despite that, good stuff

Some of which I'd remove if it's possible(is it possible, I don't know?) because I was enthusiastic and posted before I was familiar with the site or before the tech was fully developed, and by the time it's fully developed it's either changed to the point where it would no longer fit the old thread(couldn't find a way to change thread titles) or I think it might be overlooked because it is an old thread. An example of this is a while ago someone said that they used similar tech to this in the Quickstand Reset's thread and even posted a video yet when I made this thread a lot of prominent Flash players weren't aware of this application yet, or at least their posts lead me to believe so. And for the other cases I figured it would be worth making the thread, rather than risk it being overlooked by the majority of our community. But I do feel you dude.

 

[SZSR]

SaJa
SEV
I could merge them, but what would go where?

 

[SEV]

SaJa
SEV
I could merge them, but what would go where?

You could actually just remove these two completely, I think that would solve it:

http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/wall-bounce-reset.36614/
http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/wall-bounce-corner-vortex.36661/

 

[SZSR]

You could actually just remove these two completely, I think that would solve it:

http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/wall-bounce-reset.36614/
http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/wall-bounce-corner-vortex.36661/

Done! Anything else you need or are you good?

Remember to tag me if you have any ideas for the Flash forums guys, i'm usually on during the evening, so anything you need, give me a shout!

 

[SEV]

Done! Anything else you need or are you good?

Remember to tag me if you have any ideas for the Flash forums guys, i'm usually on during the evening, so anything you need, give me a shout!

That's what I would have done if I could, so in my opinion, yeah, thanks man.