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Temptress

Edenian Empress
Wow :confused:

1.) Plenty of people like Jacqui and Frost. Just because YOU don't find them appealing doesn't mean that no one else does.
2.) Guest characters sell. And they always will. NRS and WB are in the business of making money, and spots that could have ultimately gone to MK characters will be given to guests. That's just how it is.
3.) You are aware that MK hit the market in '92 right? The folks at NRS/WB aren't stupid. Their base still has 80's and 90's kids. Nostalgia sells. Hence the inclusion of Robocop, Terminator, and Spawn. The face and voice of Cary Tagawa, and soon the voices of Linden Ashby, Bridgette Wilson, and Christopher Lambert from the '95 movie. Why shouldn't NRS do something for the original fans/players of MK?
  1. That's adorable. Not once did I claim they didn't, but comparing the popularity of the two to Mileena is laughable. I'm not saying they should be excluded, but to include two flawed characters who are the source of constant criticism to appease their niche, small demographic is fine, sure, but not when core characters are denied inclusion as a result... yeah. Do you understand?
  2. The sky is blue, the grass I tread on is green. It doesn't take a genius to deduce that Mileena would outsell any guest character NRS has ever released, therefore your logic fails and all you've accomplished is reiterating my initial statement: they are cash grabs.
  3. Yes, I am. I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of those who grew up in peak MK era are now working full-time jobs and/or raising families. The main consumer base has undeniably shifted towards a younger demographic that barely, if at all, resonates with the likes of Robocop. That being said, I'm struggling to recall where exactly it was that I said that NRS shouldn't do something for the original fans/players? Where was it ever insinuated that my gripe with the DLC was based on the characters themselves? Are your arguments really so lacking that you have to put words in my mouth? Let me educate you: my issue with NRS's astoundingly dull selection of guest characters is that they usually are generic, uninspired, and often fall into one of either two RIVETING categories: grunt who shoots, or grunt who stabs. Revolutionary.
 

Temptress

Edenian Empress
More or less. Technically he wasn't in Mortal Kombat: Special Forces as far as I know.



Mortal Kombat was a phenomenon back in 1995. There were comics, collectible cards, the first film came out (with codes for Mortal Kombat 3 in it); there was even a live action show touring the US.

1995 is considered the franchise's high point prior to the modern reboot trilogy.
Leaving out the whole Internet, social media and prevalence of anonymous online opinions part of the argument, eh? It doesn't matter how successful it was... a character skipping a game in its THIRD installment less than three years after the character's conception is not comparable to one being excluded 25 years and 18 or so games later. Why should I even have to explain that? LOL
 

Juxtapose

Master
Leaving out the whole Internet, social media and prevalence of anonymous online opinions part of the argument, eh? It doesn't matter how successful it was... a character skipping a game in its THIRD installment less than three years after the character's conception is not comparable to one being excluded 25 years and 18 or so games later. Why should I even have to explain that? LOL
I'm not leaving anything out, I'm correcting you since you called the franchise "barely established" in 1995. It was quite established at that time.

That's all I'm commenting on, not whether it's good or bad, wrong or right, that a character was excluded or included from a game at any point in the franchise's history.

You're explaining something to me that goes well beyond what I was even talking about.
 

Temptress

Edenian Empress
I'm not leaving anything out, I'm correcting you since you called the franchise "barely established" in 1995. It was quite established at that time.

That's all I'm commenting on, not whether it's good or bad, wrong or right, that a character was excluded or included from a game at any point in the franchise's history.

You're explaining something to me that goes well beyond what I was even talking about.
"Established" and "successful" aren't the same thing.
 

craftycheese

I tried to throw a yo-yo away. It was impossible.
"Established" and "successful" aren't the same thing.
But it was, and still is, successful.

I'm going to agree with you because one of the characters that was excluded in MK3 is one of the 2 most popular characters in the franchise, even back then. People were not happy about that. Maybe there wasn't as much outrage, or easily seen outrage, like there is now but it was there.
 

Evil Canadian

G O K U
Elder God
established
/ɪˈstablɪʃt/

1.
having existed or done something for a long time and therefore recognized and generally accepted.
"the ceremony was an established event in the annual calendar"

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3 years

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yes its easy to establish something in 3 years
when your brand becoms the most recognizable brand in the english speaking world I think at that point you are established
 

Juxtapose

Master
"Established" and "successful" aren't the same thing.
Yes, because making insane amounts of money of arcades and home ports, and doing well enough to have a feature film, television show, comic series, and a live action show, not to mention having the influence on sales to be a strong part of why Nintendo changed their no-violence stance clearly means they weren't very successful at all :rolleyes:.
 

craftycheese

I tried to throw a yo-yo away. It was impossible.
yes its easy to establish something in 3 years
when your brand becoms the most recognizable brand in the english speaking world I think at that point you are established
Right! For example, Patrick Mahomes is both established and successful after almost 3 years of being a starter.
 

Temptress

Edenian Empress
Yes, because making insane amounts of money of arcades and home ports, and doing well enough to have a feature film, television show, comic series, and a live action show, not to mention having the influence on sales to be a strong part of why Nintendo changed their no-violence stance clearly means they weren't very successful at all :rolleyes:.
Has to be voluntary illiteracy at this point. I literally said it was barely ESTABLISHED and reaffirmed that there's a distinct difference between establishment and success (agreeing that MK is successful)...?
 

Temptress

Edenian Empress
Sure, let's argue semantics and harp on an such an insignificant, cherry-picked detail instead of discussing my main point, which still stands: 2 years and 3 games is NOT the same as 25 years and 18 games. The backlash that occurs from a character's exclusion is NOT the same in the 90s as it is in the age of the Internet and social media. Do. We. Get. It?
 

Juxtapose

Master
Sure, let's argue semantics and harp on an such an insignificant, cherry-picked detail instead of discussing my main point, which still stands: 2 years and 3 games is NOT the same as 25 years and 18 games. The backlash that occurs from a character's exclusion is NOT the same in the 90s as it is in the age of the Internet and social media. Do. We. Get. It?
Sure, I get what you're saying. Which doesn't change that fact that the franchise was both established and successful in 1995. This is fact, not opinion.
 

Evil Canadian

G O K U
Elder God
I laugh at those who believe that Scorpion's fans weren't mad when he missed MK3.
oh i can believe the few that were out there at the time were mad
just their feelings dont matter because they are subhuman dogs

aint nobody cared about scorpion back in the day like they do now, when boon forced him to the front of the line.
 

Juxtapose

Master
Nobody questioned MK's success.
And you said the franchise was barely established. Which is false. Which is what I've been addressing with you this entire time. That's the only thing I've been addressing with you this entire time.

I might indulge you again when anyone is capable of actually addressing, refuting, or challenging the actual points I made.
I challenged and refuted the point I was focusing on. Succesfully might I add.

For some reason you don't seem capable of simply admitting you were incorrect (it's okay to be wrong, or to be corrected you know) and tried pilling on a bunch of other points that I wasn't even discussing. And yet you criticize me for "illiteracy."


Toodles!