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D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
Ermac has some really nice tricks in spectral that have recently been uncovered. Mileena has been showcased in piercing to be very effective. I agree with the list for the most part.
Ahh. I was thinking MoS which is really unsafe. I thought Mileena was VERY unsafe? I also thought Tremor was mid-tier, and Tanya/Kung Lao were high...
 

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
Ahh. I was thinking MoS which is really unsafe. I thought Mileena was VERY unsafe? I also thought Tremor was mid-tier, and Tanya/Kung Lao were high...
They were for awhile. Tanya and Kung Lao were both nerfed a good bit. Mileena does have unsafe mixups. But she has really strong zoning as well as strong poke pressure in what i think is b21 or b12 (something like that, i dont play her). Tremor was nerfed and then minorly fixed. His Crystalline variation is still a solid mid to upper tier.
 
Ahh. I was thinking MoS which is really unsafe. I thought Mileena was VERY unsafe? I also thought Tremor was mid-tier, and Tanya/Kung Lao were high...
Tanya got nerfed hard, tremor is probably mid tier, kung laos weaknesses got figured out as the game progressed and he also got nerfed so hes probably mid tier now, peircing mileenas unsafe 5050s are only a luxury she doesnt have to use them, she plays with her amazing neutral and mids to kill stuff.
 

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
Tanya got nerfed hard, tremor is probably mid tier, kung laos weaknesses got figured out as the game progressed and he also got nerfed so hes probably mid tier now, peircing mileenas unsafe 5050s are only a luxury she doesnt have to use them, she plays with her amazing neutral and mids to kill stuff.
Ok, I see :)
 

Trauma_and_Pain

Filthy Casual
I don't play the variation, but to answer your question I don't think he's exactly "decent in high level play".

If you aren't playing really competitively though, I wouldn't let that stop you from choosing it. If you think he's fun, learn his shit and have fun. You'll still beat weaker players.
 

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
I don't play the variation, but to answer your question I don't think he's exactly "decent in high level play".

If you aren't playing really competitively though, I wouldn't let that stop you from choosing it. If you think he's fun, learn his shit and have fun. You'll still beat weaker players.
Low level players think he's "broken" haha! Not going to play him. I loved him in MK9. R.I.P. Kenshi :(
 

Bruno-NeoSpace

They see me zonin', they hatin'
Balanced is a zoning variation, and his zoning is weak - BF3 is high and -43 on recovery; EX BF3 is kinda useless; DB4 is minus on hit and kinda slow on startup; EX DB4 is kinda useless; BF2 is -15 on block; EX BF2 is -2 on block; EX reflect heals only 5%
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
'kinda' useless.
No, EX BF3 is 100% useless, even when I use it to kill it more often than not leaves them with a sliver left.
EX BF3 should be a mid. Or instead, normal BF3 should allow to meterburn as jacqui's DF2.

Right now the move is pointless, same as EX DB4.
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
At least EX DB4 has actual hit advantage and knocks them full screen so.. there's that. EX BF3 does nothing but add 1-2% to most combos.
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
I'm actually gonna go against the grain here and say that Balanced is definitely passable. Possessed is invariably the better variation but I think balanced has a lot to offer.

The change to b1 actually allows him to play footsies. It also gives him a stagger opportunity (b1 into ex bf2, b1 into another b1, b1 into d1, b1 into overhead swipe). The threat of ex rk is also a great deterrent for people poking back.

He has decent anti-airs with ex rk and d1 and good armour with ex bf2 and ex rk.

Granted he could definitely use a bit more help (e.g. Ex bf3 hits mid, ex db4 pops up and is slightly faster) but in his current state I don't think he's completely unviable.

If he were to get some changes:
- ex bf3 hits mid
- ex db4 pops up (allows for bf3 midscreen or more in the corner)
- db4 5 frames faster
- bf2 -10 on block
- ex bf2 +1 on block

With just those I could honestly see him competing with the best of the top tiers.


Either way, I don't think he's completely trash. Certainly he's in a better place than unbrekable, Tanya, Assasin and fisticuffs
 

ismael4790

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I'm actually gonna go against the grain here and say that Balanced is definitely passable. Possessed is invariably the better variation but I think balanced has a lot to offer.

The change to b1 actually allows him to play footsies. It also gives him a stagger opportunity (b1 into ex bf2, b1 into another b1, b1 into d1, b1 into overhead swipe). The threat of ex rk is also a great deterrent for people poking back.

He has decent anti-airs with ex rk and d1 and good armour with ex bf2 and ex rk.

Granted he could definitely use a bit more help (e.g. Ex bf3 hits mid, ex db4 pops up and is slightly faster) but in his current state I don't think he's completely unviable.

If he were to get some changes:
- ex bf3 hits mid
- ex db4 pops up (allows for bf3 midscreen or more in the corner)
- db4 5 frames faster
- bf2 -10 on block
- ex bf2 +1 on block

With just those I could honestly see him competing with the best of the top tiers.


Either way, I don't think he's completely trash. Certainly he's in a better place than unbrekable, Tanya, Assasin and fisticuffs
Nice changes! Add BF3 recovery at 36 or better instead of 43, and Kenshi will smile.
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
Can anybody consistently reflect Mileena's fucking sais or Shinnok's gun shot? I find it to be really difficult, especially Mileena's sais since she can just do high sai into low sai and make my reflected sai whiff.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Can anybody consistently reflect Mileena's fucking sais or Shinnok's gun shot? I find it to be really difficult, especially Mileena's sais since she can just do high sai into low sai and make my reflected sai whiff.
Prepatch I had problems reflecting fast projectiles, as the one Mileena has. It was a read in most cases. Now I can do it on reaction (while being at least 3/4 screen distance at least, of course). It's 7f startup, maybe they could make it 6f.

The problem is what you say, she recovers so fast from the first sai that, being far enough, she can do a low one and avoid the reflected sai. However, you can also reflect that second one, but the timing to do the second reflect is more strict for Kenshi than it is for Mileena to throw the second sai. Kano for example does not even have to fear the reflect at all, he ducks for free the reflected knife.

To partially prevent this kind of problems, I would change reflect in a way that the reflected projectile traveled slightly faster than the original speed.
 
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Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Sorry, it's just that reflecting is a pretty major aspect of balanced's game (what little of it there is..).
No need to apologise, but if you're going to ask about something to do with how Kenshi's played why not just ask the people who know how he's played? :p
 

Gofer_MK_

Banned
If he were to get some changes:
- ex bf3 hits mid
- ex db4 pops up (allows for bf3 midscreen or more in the corner)
- db4 5 frames faster
- bf2 -10 on block
- ex bf2 +1 on block

With just those I could honestly see him competing with the best of the top tiers.
Well, nice list. Wonder how would he play after these changes. And add a backdash to it.xD
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Well, nice list. Wonder how would he play after these changes. And add a backdash to it.xD
I think those changes, combined with db4 being + on hit (now it's -1. yes, -1 on hit...), teleflurry recovery on whiff reduced and the improved backdash you mention would put him in a decent situation.

However, some top players have a much more radical point of view: keeping his "zoning" the same, and making f3 an overhead block, so he becomes basically a safe 50/50 monster up close, with +30% meterless combos starting from f32 or b32, both safe and hitconfirmable.

Both options would allow him to play better, although I prefer the first set of buffs that would actually go in favor of his zoning, which is what people expect from Kenshi.