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Landonio

n00b
Any tips for the Outlaw EB matchup? NJP beats everything and I can only guess right on his mixups so many times.
 
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TheGangstaFace

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Any tips for the Outlaw EB matchup? NJP beats everything and I can only guess right on his mixups so many times.
I never liked the other 2 variations because you need meter for both to get damage and their keep away is ass, but as far as balanced goes, sit full screen (as you do with balanced) reflect the sand ball and if it hits, you can combo it with a bf3 and be sure to use bf2 A LOT because slide low profiles the bf3 and outlaw doesnt have much to do about zoning besides the sand ball.
 

Landonio

n00b
I never liked the other 2 variations because you need meter for both to get damage and their keep away is ass, but as far as balanced goes, sit full screen (as you do with balanced) reflect the sand ball and if it hits, you can combo it with a bf3 and be sure to use bf2 A LOT because slide low profiles the bf3 and outlaw doesnt have much to do about zoning besides the sand ball.
Should have specified that I only play Kenjutsu. My bad lol.
 

TheGangstaFace

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Should have specified that I only play Kenjutsu. My bad lol.
Kenjutsu might be a really bad matchup. You're not gonna out do erron black in an offensive war and bf2 in kenjutsu I don't think has as good of recovery as balanced bf2
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
I never liked the other 2 variations because you need meter for both to get damage and their keep away is ass, but as far as balanced goes, sit full screen (as you do with balanced) reflect the sand ball and if it hits, you can combo it with a bf3 and be sure to use bf2 A LOT because slide low profiles the bf3 and outlaw doesnt have much to do about zoning besides the sand ball.
Kenjutsu's midscreen meterless damage is just as good as Balance's now. 2112+4, RC, 43 BF3 does 30%. 111, db1, d1,211 bf3 is also almost 30%.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Kenjutsu's midscreen meterless damage is just as good as Balance's now. 2112+4, RC, 43 BF3 does 30%. 111, db1, d1,211 bf3 is also almost 30%.
Well, but you are not getting +30%s meterless in Kenjutsu from a b32 as Balanced does. This is one of his few pros.

It's sad that Kenjutsu can't juggle with db1 after a b32.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
But you do get 41% for a bar. Kenjutsu still has tons of safe hit confirms, just not off of his 50/50.
Yes, with meter kenjutsu gets a lot more damage, no doubt.

However I think one of the reasons why I like Balanced the most (besides loyalty, and not forgetting the other two variations are actually better) is because I can get pretty high raw damage, and just save my bars to cover myself and compensate the shitty offense he has.
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
Yes, with meter kenjutsu gets a lot more damage, no doubt.

However I think one of the reasons why I like Balanced the most (besides loyalty, and not forgetting the other two variations are actually better) is because I can get pretty high raw damage, and just save my bars to cover myself and compensate the shitty offense he has.
Possessed and Kenjutsu have far better offense.
The sooner you accept Balanced will always be Kenshi's Unbreakable/Master of Storms/Mystic, the less salty you'll be in the long run.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Possessed and Kenjutsu have far better offense.
The sooner you accept Balanced will always be Kenshi's Unbreakable/Master of Storms/Mystic, the less salty you'll be in the long run.
Don't be that negative, if we show to nrs that we are conformed, their job with Kenshi will be even worse than currently is xD
 

TheGangstaFace

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Kenjutsu's midscreen meterless damage is just as good as Balance's now. 2112+4, RC, 43 BF3 does 30%. 111, db1, d1,211 bf3 is also almost 30%.
This must be a joke. If you're hitting people with those strings then theyre either bad or you're getting lucky. It's universally accepted by the casual community and competitive community kenshi is bottom 3 for life. I'm insulted as a former kenshi player that you posted a combo starting with 2112 or 111 lol
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
This must be a joke. If you're hitting people with those strings then theyre either bad or you're getting lucky. It's universally accepted by the casual community and competitive community kenshi is bottom 3 for life. I'm insulted as a former kenshi player that you posted a combo starting with 2112 or 111 lol
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Good luck punishing people with F2 or B3.
 

TheGangstaFace

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Also if any of you notice, 95% of the time even the Kenshi master himself (Pig) only gets damage with kenjutsu by spending TWO bars for like what 43%. But I'll give you possessed. 1 bar 39%. Either way it doesnt matter. You NEED meter for kenjutsu and possessed and if you run out then you might as well drop the controller. This isnt injustice with 4 bars of meter. Theres 3 bars in this game and no universal b3 and no crossups
 
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TheGangstaFace

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Good luck punishing people with F2 or B3.
I don't punish with highs because majority of the time if you're playing a decent player then they don't use EXTREMELY unsafe things most of the time. So punishing with a 1 on a -8-11 move, they just poke under the high. Nobody punishes with highs lol
 

Landonio

n00b
I don't punish with highs because majority of the time if you're playing a decent player then they don't use EXTREMELY unsafe things most of the time. So punishing with a 1 on a -8-11 move, they just poke under the high. Nobody punishes with highs lol
Well technically a "punish" means the opponent can't do anything, so it doesn't matter if the move is a high or not. They can't press anything anyway.
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
I don't punish with highs because majority of the time if you're playing a decent player then they don't use EXTREMELY unsafe things most of the time. So punishing with a 1 on a -8-11 move, they just poke under the high. Nobody punishes with highs lol
I... don't know how to reply to such drivel.
List me 15 characters with <9f non-high combo starting normals.
 

TheGangstaFace

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I... don't know how to reply to such drivel.
List me 15 characters with <9f non-high combo starting normals.
I'll actually exclude jax from this because his standing 1 is 6f but other than that idfk lmao. I don't have a list of characters and their frames. But I do use kotal and I have a 9f mid to punish with, and I use lao so I have a TEN (ik you said 9) frame mid or ex spin which is 7f and i get 30+%
 

TheGangstaFace

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Well technically a "punish" means the opponent can't do anything, so it doesn't matter if the move is a high or not. They can't press anything anyway.
No a punish exceeds more than that. If I hit you when you aren't supposed to press a button then that's a punish
 

Landonio

n00b
No a punish exceeds more than that. If I hit you when you aren't supposed to press a button then that's a punish
You just said that people can poke under the high though. Which is it? By your (made-up) definition, that's not a punish then. I think you're getting frame trapping confused with actual punishing...
 

Landonio

n00b
You said people can poke under highs. If the high is being used in a proper punish situation, then they can't. Because it's a punish, by definition. What they did was unsafe. This is common knowledge. You're just confusing me/people now.

111 is Kenshi's fastest full-combo punisher (IIRC) at 9 frames, but it's range-dependent.