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Somberness

Somberness

Lights
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Execution (singular | cumulative)
1 - 10
1,1 - 16 | 27
1,1,1 - 12 | 48
1,1,2 - 18 | 54
1,1,4 - 12 | 48
2 - 12
2,1 - 24 | 38
2,1,B+2 - 7 | 50
2,1,F+4 - 11 | 54
3 - 12
4 - 18
D+1 - 6
D+2 - 14
D+3 - 7
D+4 - 12
B+2 - 19
B+4 - 19
F+2 - 12
F+2,2 - 20 | 34
F+2,2,B+1 - 17 | 52
F+2,2,B+2 - 22 | 57
F+3 - 15
F+3,2 - 19 | 39
F+4 - 23
U+4 - 26
Throw - 10
Spirit Charge - 8
Rising Karma - 14
Telekinetic Slash - 25
Tele-Flurry - 21
Blade Reflect (startup) - 6
Spirit Vengeance - 8, 24 second hit
Karma Eruption - 14, 38 second hit
Telekinetic Blade - 25, 43 second hit
Tele-Beatdown - 21, 28 second hit, 44 third hit
Blade Absorb (startup) - 6
Soul Blade - 25
Soul Blade (full screen) - 42

Advantage (block | hit)
1 - 0 | 0
1,1 - -2 | 0
1,1,1 - 0 | +14
1,1,2 - -13 | +36, +44
1,1,4 - -4 | +44, +27
2 - 0 | +8
2,1 - 0 | +3
2,1,B+2 - 0 | +55, +44
2,1,F+4 - -9 | 0
3 - 0 | +5
4 - -14 | +4
D+1 - -13 | +1
D+1 (vs crouch) - -13 | -1
D+2 - +3 | +37, +30
D+3 - -7 | +3
D+3 (vs crouch) - -7 | +10
D+4 - 0 | +11
D+4 (vs crouch) - 0 | +4
B+2 - 0 | +45, +32
B+4 - 0 | +24, +16
F+2 - -10 | +4
F+2,2 - -13 | +1
F+2,2,B+1 - -4 | +68, +44
F+2,2,B+2 - 0 | +45, +32
F+3 - -9 | +4
F+3,2 - -2 | +39, +22
F+4 - -11 | +37, +24
U+4 - -13 | +45, +53
Forward Throw - N/A | +7
Backward Throw - N/A | +11
Spirit Charge - -10 | +19, -13
Rising Karma - -17 | +58, +46
Telekinetic Slash - -7 | +1 (vs airborne opponent ~+20, ~-4)
Tele-Flurry - -3 | +6
Spirit Vengeance - +7 | +46, +35
Karma Eruption - 0 | +54, +58
Telekinetic Blade - -31 | +49, +32
Tele-Beatdown - -3 | +26, +22
Soul Blade - -4 | +17

Duration (whiff | block | hit)
1 - 29 | 29 | 29
1,1 - 49 | 49 | 49
1,1,1 - 75 | 75 | 75
1,1,2 - 94 | 94 | 94
1,1,4 - 79 | 79 | 79
2 - 30 | 30 | 30
2,1 - 56 | 56 | 56
2,1,B+2 - 73 | 73 | 73
2,1,F+4 - 90 | 90 | 90
3 - 35 | 35 | 35
4 - 62 | 62 | 62
D+1 - 25 | 25 | 25
D+2 - 48 | 38 | 61
D+3 - 20 | 20 | 20
D+4 - 34 | 34 | 34
B+2 - 43 | 43 | 39
B+4 - 46 | 46 | 46
F+2 - 49 | 49 | 49
F+2,2 - 74 | 74 | 74
F+2,2,B+1 - 83 | 83 | 79
F+2,2,B+2 - 81 | 81 | 77
F+3 - 44 | 44 | 44
F+3,2 - 68 | 68 | 68
F+4 - 54 | 54 | 54
U+4 - 59 | 59 | 59
Forward Throw - 36 | N/A | 126
Backward Throw - 36 | N/A | 111
Spirit Charge - 45 | 45 | 55
Rising Karma - 63 | 58 | 38
Telekinetic Slash - 52 | 52 | 57
Tele-Flurry - 51 | 51 | 59
Blade Reflect - 54 | N/A | N/A
Spirit Vengeance - 45 | 44 | 39
Karma Eruption - 63 | 65 | 45
Telekinetic Blade - 52 | 101 | 65
Tele-Beatdown - 74 | 74 | 93
Blade Absorb - 54 | N/A | N/A
Soul Blade - 56 | 56 | 484

Cancel Advantage (block | hit)
1 - +19 | +25
1,1 - +11 | +31
1,1,1 - +23 | +37
1,1,2 - +25 | +74, +82
1,1,4 - +23 | +71, +54
2 - +25 | +24
2,1 - +22 | +16
2,1,B+2 - +5 | +56, +45
3 - +25 | +26
4 - +16 | +34
D+1 - +1 | +15
D+1 (vs crouch) - +1 | +13
D+3 - +2 | +12
D+3 (vs crouch) - +2 | +19
D+4 - +25 | +31
D+4 (vs crouch) - +25 | +24
F+2 - +25 | +39
F+2,2 - +26 | +40
F+3 - +15 | +28
F+3,2 - +14 | +55, +38

Miscellaneous
Breaker (when grounded vs grounded opponent) - ~+14, ~+14
Blade Reflect/Absorb - 15 active frames
Spirit Vengeance - armor on frames 2-17
Karma Eruption - armor on frames 2-22
Tele-Beatdown - armor on frames 2-24
Soul Blade - invincibility on frames 1-2, armor on frames 3-47
1,1,1 - 1 frame gap
1,1,2 - 7 frame gap
1,1,4 - 1 frame gap
F+3,2 - 4 frame gap
 
THTB

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Huh...charge is -10. So Reptile legit punishes it if it's nor like more than sweep distance. New ideas...
 
salvificblood

salvificblood

Worst Sub-Zero Ever
Sub_Crash4 said:
still the dumbest character in the game... WHY SO SAFE??? and armor :(
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He isn't safe.

You get pressure off everything, and pressure reversal on his best strings as a Sub player. If he finishes the 112 string because he didn't hit confirm it, he's dead.

That's why I've said all along that you just bait stuff out of kenshi, his pressure his worthless so you don't fear the pressure reversal, just block low. and then mash 22 after every f32, etc.

You're not safe in this game unless you're neutral or positive after strings. Even spirit charge is -10 which means you don't need to fear the spirit charge up close.
 
Tolkeen

Tolkeen

/wrists
I don't understand how so many people can say he's safe, when his only plus on block is an ex move.....
Those big numbers are all cancel advantage, so in order to capitalize on that I'm putting myself back at -10 or -17. If that's the safest this game has then we're all losing to the wrong characters.
 
salvificblood

salvificblood

Worst Sub-Zero Ever
Tolkeen said:
I don't understand how so many people can say he's safe, when his only plus on block is an ex move.....
Those big numbers are all cancel advantage, so in order to capitalize on that I'm putting myself back at -10 or -17. If that's the safest this game has then we're all losing to the wrong characters.
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Exactly. Seeing the figures confirms some of my suspicisions about pressuring kenshi. People think of full combo punishes when it comes to safety, ignoring pressure reversal.
 
THTB

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Being safe on block is defined as unpunishable by any means after being blocked. Being negative is being at disadvantage, not necessarily punishable. You guys confuse terms way too much. >_<

That aside, Kenshi atm gets away with murder in a number of cases, like f22b1. Also, charge's frame advantage changes depending on the range it's blocked. Also, TKS is actually pretty good on block. And 21b2 altogether is amazing.
 
Briggs8417

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
THTB said:
Being safe on block is defined as unpunishable by any means after being blocked. Being negative is being at disadvantage, not necessarily punishable. You guys confuse terms way too much. >_<

That aside, Kenshi atm gets away with murder in a number of cases, like f22b1. Also, charge's frame advantage changes depending on the range it's blocked. Also, TKS is actually pretty good on block. And 21b2 altogether is amazing.
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So true...all of it.
 
Medina4life

Medina4life

Media Master
I am too retarded to understand frame data.. Can some one help me please? I want to become a better commentator and need to know this stuff.. thanks :)

Even though I don't get it, I know what you do is amazing Somberness , good job
 
GGA HAN

GGA HAN

Galloping Ghost Arcade
Medina, I can try giving you some help on Sunday or Thursday maybe, but as far as basics and how you can tell if something is punishable, just look at block advantage and execution frames...For example, reptiles dash is -15 block advantage (or at disadvantage) if you look at reptiles frame data. Now take kenshi's frame data and you can see that a spirit charge execution frames is 8, so it would cleanly punish reptile if you were to block his dash.
 
Medina4life

Medina4life

Media Master
HAN said:
Medina, I can try giving you some help on Sunday or Thursday maybe, but as far as basics and how you can tell if something is punishable, just look at block advantage and execution frames...For example, reptiles dash is -15 block advantage (or at disadvantage) if you look at reptiles frame data. Now take kenshi's frame data and you can see that a spirit charge execution frames is 8, so it would cleanly punish reptile if you were to block his dash.
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O okay, I always understood the block advantage one.. But thanks for clearing up the execution part. Those two are important for knowing what is punishable, what moves can be punished, and how to punish others with your own moves. How important is the hit advantage though? All those other numbers I have a hard time understanding their importance
 
Briggs8417

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
Medina4life Hit advantage isn't really any different than block advantage, it's just on hit really, but it's important because it can determine your decisions in a match, I will use standing 3 as an example. If you hit someone with a standing 2 you are at +8 frames, so you can use spirit charge (which is 8 frames) which would be inescapable since your opponent has 0 frames to counter it.
 
Somberness

Somberness

Lights
Hit advantage is almost the same as block advantage except it refers to the other character. It is not the frames before they can block, but the frames before they can move/attack. However, cancel advantage on hit is the number of frames before they can block when you input the next move in a string or link a special from it. It won't combo if it is the end of a string or a singular move that does not lift the opponent. Knockdown moves just shows the advantage until the first frame of a wakeup attack. Cancel advantage on block is kind of like a mix of hit advantage and cancel advantage on hit. It is the frames between the first frame of a cancelled move between the first frame that your opponent can move/attack.
 
Dizzy

Dizzy

False Information Police Officer
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
To all the people confused about spirit charge, its -10 point blank, and its a projectile so the further away you are, the less disadvantage it is.

Its not like a melee attack, where the recovery is different on block. The recovery for spirit charge starts immediately as opposed to on block, being a projectile.
 
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