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FlappyDaniel

FlappyDaniel

Snappin' spines all day e'ry day.
I've typed out about 3 or 4 different rants and my soul just can't take it guys... I'm a little crushed to be honest that there is nobody on the NRS team that has any idea how a grappler should work... guess i'll have to switch to CT if I want to keep playing; otherwise Kano might finally lose me.

edit: it's really mostly just the whiff issues being completely ignored more then anything....
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
MsMiharo said:
Yeah this is what I was afraid of. Buffs to keep people happy without adressing the actual issues. The pop up is fine, Commando didn't need it so it's a nice addition. What he DOES need is grabs not whiffing randomly and if I can wish for a luxury buff: choke connecting on hit from all attacks.
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FlappyDaniel said:
I've typed out about 3 or 4 different rants and my soul just can't take it guys... I'm a little crushed to be honest that there is nobody on the NRS team that has any idea how a grappler should work... guess i'll have to switch to CT if I want to keep playing; otherwise Kano might finally lose me.

edit: it's really mostly just the whiff issues being completely ignored more then anything....
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Yea this is what happened. They said "hey you want a viable Kano? Here you go." and didn't put much effort into anything else. Some of the buffs other characters got makes you really wonder if they even took more than 5 minutes looking at Cyber/Comm variations.
 
VoyagersRevenge

VoyagersRevenge

AUGMENTED
FlappyDaniel said:
I've typed out about 3 or 4 different rants and my soul just can't take it guys... I'm a little crushed to be honest that there is nobody on the NRS team that has any idea how a grappler should work... guess i'll have to switch to CT if I want to keep playing; otherwise Kano might finally lose me.

edit: it's really mostly just the whiff issues being completely ignored more then anything....
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Bro I'm sad... I am. I'll keep playing commando for fun until they fix the whiffs in the next patch along with some other tweaks. I admit, the variation is my favorite and can be extremely strong and viable.. WHEN IT WORKS. Sadly we can't rely on that and Cutthroat turned out to be the monster I was worried about lol. Variation could have stayed the same and received some frame changes possibly but the charge up was almost useless in tournament play.
 
HuttonMD

HuttonMD

ADM Riddles
I think kano is in a good place with his variations. Master all of them and use cyber or commando for their favorable MUs and cutthroat for the rest.
Every character has a dominant variation and the other two compliment its weaknesses
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
MsMiharo said:
lol 32 1+3 MB 32 112 command grab is super easy. 112 ex ball cancel njp combo is super hard. Ball cancel jip combos are stance specific.
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Super hard is a bit of an overstatement. They're hard but if you cancel properly it shouldn't be hard to get in 5 minutes. You should be trying to optimise as much as possible anyway :p
 
VoyagersRevenge

VoyagersRevenge

AUGMENTED
HuttonMD said:
I think kano is in a good place with his variations. Master all of them and use cyber or commando for their favorable MUs and cutthroat for the rest.
Every character has a dominant variation and the other two compliment its weaknesses
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Kano was always badass. Now he's just filthy smh
 
MsMiharo

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
Youphemism said:
Super hard is a bit of an overstatement. They're hard but if you cancel properly it shouldn't be hard to get in 5 minutes. You should be trying to optimise as much as possible anyway :p
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Has anyone been able to land them consistently? I know we don't see many kanos in tournament but seriously, can anyone do it?
 
FlappyDaniel

FlappyDaniel

Snappin' spines all day e'ry day.
VoyagersRevenge said:
Bro I'm sad... I am. I'll keep playing commando for fun until they fix the whiffs in the next patch along with some other tweaks. I admit, the variation is my favorite and can be extremely strong and viable.. WHEN IT WORKS. Sadly we can't rely on that and Cutthroat turned out to be the monster I was worried about lol. Variation could have stayed the same and received some frame changes possibly but the charge up was almost useless in tournament play.
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Commando is the one I have fun with; and it clicks with me. from what I've watched nobody plays his neutral/pressure game like I do. Not saying mine is better I'm just stating that I was able to just flow with the tools this character has and they make sense to me more then other characters. It's the character I'm supposed to play in this game (as cheesy as that sounds) but I can't because every 1/3d time during my pressure something just whiffs. If I don't use all of my options in pressure and only use what is MOST LIKELY to not whiff, it is the most linear thing in the world (B13xxchoke OR B13 with no choke. OOOOO, WOW!). I've tried mixing in 11 and 112s as well as F4xxChoke which is only guaranteed to hit if the F4 is within a certain distance; and the choke whiffs on crouch blocking opponent half the time anyway. Try using standing 2 but anybody who has it in mind can very easily avoid it since it goes over crouch blockers most the time as well. So. I'm left with D4 and B13 as my only reliable pressure tools. Sick grappler guys.

edit: forgot to mention B312; of course I use B31xxChoke as well since it can be good to try and catch peple not blocking low, and B31xxChoke is more reliable then others; but if I wanna try and armor break with B3xxChoke I have to be careful because on small hitboxes the choke just whiffs after the hit B3.
 
MsMiharo

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
FlappyDaniel said:
Commando is the one I have fun with; and it clicks with me. from what I've watched nobody plays his neutral/pressure game like I do. Not saying mine is better I'm just stating that I was able to just flow with the tools this character has and they make sense to me more then other characters. It's the character I'm supposed to play in this game (as cheesy as that sounds) but I can't because every 1/3d time during my pressure something just whiffs. If I don't use all of my options in pressure and only use what is MOST LIKELY to not whiff, it is the most linear thing in the world (B13xxchoke OR B13 with no choke. OOOOO, WOW!). I've tried mixing in 11 and 112s as well as F4xxChoke which is only guaranteed to hit if the F4 is within a certain distance; and the choke whiffs on crouch blocking opponent half the time anyway. Try using standing 2 but anybody who has it in mind can very easily avoid it since it goes over crouch blockers most the time as well. So. I'm left with D4 and B13 as my only reliable pressure tools. Sick grappler guys.

edit: forgot to mention B312; of course I use B31xxChoke as well since it can be good to try and catch peple not blocking low, and B31xxChoke is more reliable then others; but if I wanna try and armor break with B3xxChoke I have to be careful because on small hitboxes the choke just whiffs after the hit B3.
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Same here. I really want to make Commando work but I'm slightly insulted by the patch
 
TheJaquio

TheJaquio

Kombatant
Youphemism said:
Super hard is a bit of an overstatement. They're hard but if you cancel properly it shouldn't be hard to get in 5 minutes. You should be trying to optimise as much as possible anyway :p
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Don't you basically have to time the ball cancel, dash, and njp each within a 1 frame window? I can't (don't) see any tournament players taking the risk of screwing up the timing by a frame and then giving their opponent a full combo punish off of the whiffed njp.
 
TheJaquio

TheJaquio

Kombatant
DougDFC said:
Everyone loves commando, man
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It's funny, because cutthroat has always been the best and now it's certainly cemented as such, and yet it seems like the least popular variation based on personal tastes in this forum (mine included). Just look at how inactive its discussion thread is compared to the other two variations.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
TheJaquio said:
Don't you basically have to time the ball cancel, dash, and njp each within a 1 frame window? I can't (don't) see any tournament players taking the risk of screwing up the timing by a frame and then giving their opponent a full combo punish off of the whiffed njp.
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1 frame window? Noooooooooooooo chance. It's not THAT hard.
 
countrypistol

countrypistol

Kombatant
Can anybody hit confirm B31 online? I struggle getting it in training mode consistently due to the small window. Is it worth doing online, or should B31-combo extender be a punish/gamble?
 
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