Is there another fanbase so ready to scream “NERF” as MK’s?

[Shania Twain]

Here's the thing. In MK11 especially with custom variations, people if not used to playing or how a certain character is played they will get owned. Also, it boils down to who you are play well with as well. Every Joker I encounter plays the same. So...be warned and zone against him. Also....tons who do not play as Sindel fall prey to her combos and throws. I'm sure though the game will see any broken overpowered moves.

 

[Swindle]

Basically every single FG community is like this

Exactly.
They released the Rashid trailer for SF6, and half of that community is calling him broken

 

[BumbleBee]

Exactly.
They released the Rashid trailer for SF6, and half of that community is calling him broken

That's another instance of the "YouTube game" Zoomer FGC will call anything and anyone broken, slap it on the thumbnail and let the clicks come in. In Rashid's case specifically he was made legal 2 weeks before EVO, which is unprecedented and adds fuel to the fire.

 

[Son ov Timett]

Lolol at Ninja proclaiming it a 3-7 matchup after 20 minutes.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Lolol at Ninja proclaiming it a 3-7 matchup after 20 minutes.

 

[TheyMoveBelow]

Lolol at Ninja proclaiming it a 3-7 matchup after 20 minutes.

Ninja does say some oddly dumb things…he literally questioned why Sub-Zero’s amplified ice clone sets him back nearly full screen.

Welp…he creates 3 ice clones between himself and the opponent, killa.

 

[Ilthuain]

Pretty much every community for a game with asymmetric characters or factions.

I play Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Sigmar, and I've heard people calling for nerfs before their first game was done. In 40k's new edition, a faction was banned from tournaments before the game was even available.

 

[Kiss the Missile]

That's another instance of the "YouTube game" Zoomer FGC will call anything and anyone broken, slap it on the thumbnail and let the clicks come in. In Rashid's case specifically he was made legal 2 weeks before EVO, which is unprecedented and adds fuel to the fire.

It isn't a "Zoomer" thing. If you grew up in the arcade era then you already know about mfs who were legit ready to fight because "throws are cheap"

 

[TheyMoveBelow]

It isn't a "Zoomer" thing. If you grew up in the arcade era then you already know about mfs who were legit ready to fight because "throws are cheap"

lmao the good old days.

No tier lists, no concept of meta, no characters were better than others. If you lost, its because you sucked.

Just straight BALLS and blissful ignorance.

 

[Eddy Wang]

The Kimberly hate was insane during the beta lmfao

release day too, now she is not even in discussion, was replaced by cammys and marisas

 

[Juggs]

Ninja does say some oddly dumb things…he literally questioned why Sub-Zero’s amplified ice clone sets him back nearly full screen. Welp…he creates 3 ice clones between himself and the opponent, killa.

He could just be being hyperbolic. He was talking to Kombat that entire set. I think it most likely was just banter to try and annoy/mess around with Kombat.

I definitely could be wrong, but I’ve seen a lot of his content and he’ll say stuff like that a lot when he’s playing one of his friends that he’s talking to. But I guess if Sub ends up getting nerfed (lol) when the full game comes out, this might be a strong indication of why.

 

[superbn0va]

Bc they rather bitch about Kitanan’s hair or Johhny’s face model. Obviously a big chunk of the MK community seems less invested in the core of fighting games. It can get real sassy in here lmao

 

[BumbleBee]

It isn't a "Zoomer" thing.

It is now.

If you grew up in the arcade era then you already know about mfs who were legit ready to fight because "throws are cheap"

Yes, but that relates more to the SF crowd, rather than MK's. Bottom line is - it's much worse now, when instead of a couple arcade revisions you get about 5-6 patches a year, if not more, just because the community doesn't want to deal with the thing they struggle against.

 

[Kiss the Missile]

It is now.

Yes, but that relates more to the SF crowd, rather than MK's. Bottom line is - it's much worse now, when instead of a couple arcade revisions you get about 5-6 patches a year, if not more, just because the community doesn't want to deal with the thing they struggle against.

Name 1 fighting game that gets 5 patches a year

 

[BumbleBee]

Name 1 fighting game that gets 5 patches a year

Wasn't X like that ? And if we are to stray away from MK - both of the latest KoFs (XIV and XV) follow that example.

 

[Juxtapose]

It isn't a "Zoomer" thing. If you grew up in the arcade era then you already know about mfs who were legit ready to fight because "throws are cheap"

My best friend at the time was that guy. In arcades or on console, it didn't matter. Throws were "cheap" and he'd loose his shit if you did one.

No tier lists, no concept of meta, no characters were better than others. If you lost, its because you sucked.

Actually, the Mortal Kombat II strategy guide I still own has a match up/tier list.

 

[TheyMoveBelow]

My best friend at the time was that guy. In arcades or on console, it didn't matter. Throws were "cheap" and he'd loose his shit if you did one.



Actually, the Mortal Kombat II strategy guide I still own has a match up/tier list.

I’ve seen that. How accurate is it? Fairly certain Jax is busted in that game.

 

[Juxtapose]

I’ve seen that. How accurate is it? Fairly certain Jax is busted in that game.

It was accurate for the time, though I believe the match up chart was generally revised in more resent days.

It lists, in order:

Mileena and then Jax as A Tier.

Liu, Lao, and Kitana as B Tier.

Scorpion, Sub, Baraka as C Tier.

Johnny, Shang, and Reptile as D Tier.

Raiden as Ass Tier.

Worst match up shown is a 3-7. Mileena has no loosing match ups, Jax, just to Mileena.

 

[Juggs]

Bottom line is - it's much worse now, when instead of a couple arcade revisions you get about 5-6 patches a year, if not more, just because the community doesn't want to deal with the thing they struggle against.

100% correct. And it’s unbelievably frustrating because it’s not just the mass casuals, it’s also the competitive/tournament players that’ll do this. Because they know that with enough complaining, NRS is way more likely to respond to it than if they were to say nothing. I remember awhile back, so many people were saying that NRS doesn’t listen to all the complaints. I was always saying that they do and will sometimes make changes based on them. A lot of the NRS shills would tell me that that isn’t the case, that they don’t take it into consideration. Which is such a wild (and weird) claim to make, especially when so often you’d see nerfs made that directly correlate with what people were complaining about. Did they concede? Nope, they would just say that it was a coincidence and had nothing to do with the complaints, lmao.

This is why it sucks that I typically main characters like Scorpion. Since he gets played by so many people, naturally you’ll see far more complaints. Happened in MKX and MK11 (and even in Injustice lol). He was gutted (imo) in MKX when they removed his fb cancels, which absolutely didn’t deserve to be nerfed. The nerfs he received in MK11 were annoying, and they did bring him down a lot, but at least wasn’t as bad as the MKX nerfs. And it wouldn’t have been an issue if he actually deserved these nerfs, but he didn’t. He wasn’t dominating the meta, hell, he wasn’t even a top 5 character. But so many people complained, for instance about his teleport in MK11. That it basically forced NRS’ hand. It’s wild to me that in almost all of the NRS games; Injustice, MKX, Injustice 2 and MK11, my characters were unjustly nerfed in everyone of them. I say “unjustly” because they never gave it enough time. Sure, maybe Ares’ unblockable reset in Injustice deserved to be nerfed, but it was nerfed month 1 iirc. Just because a certain move or strategy a character has is REALLY good, that doesn’t necessarily mean it needs to be nerfed.

Anyway, I could write an essay or a book about this topic, and I’ve already typed too much as it is. I just wish they’d do the 95:5 of buffing to nerf ratio instead. But don’t get me started on that either, lol.

 

[TheyMoveBelow]

100% correct. And it’s unbelievably frustrating because it’s not just the mass casuals, it’s also the competitive/tournament players that’ll do this. Because they know that with enough complaining, NRS is way more likely to respond to it than if they were to say nothing. I remember awhile back, so many people were saying that NRS doesn’t listen to all the complaints. I was always saying that they do and will sometimes make changes based on them. A lot of the NRS shills would tell me that that isn’t the case, that they don’t take it into consideration. Which is such a wild (and weird) claim to make, especially when so often you’d see nerfs made that directly correlate with what people were complaining about. Did they concede? Nope, they would just say that it was a coincidence and had nothing to do with the complaints, lmao.

This is why it sucks that I typically main characters like Scorpion. Since he gets played by so many people, naturally you’ll see far more complaints. Happened in MKX and MK11 (and even in Injustice lol). He was gutted (imo) in MKX when they removed his fb cancels, which absolutely didn’t deserve to be nerfed. The nerfs he received in MK11 were annoying, and they did bring him down a lot, but at least wasn’t as bad as the MKX nerfs. And it wouldn’t have been an issue if he actually deserved these nerfs, but he didn’t. He wasn’t dominating the meta, hell, he wasn’t even a top 5 character. But so many people complained, for instance about his teleport in MK11. That it basically forced NRS’ hand. It’s wild to me that in almost all of the NRS games; Injustice, MKX, Injustice 2 and MK11, my characters were unjustly nerfed in everyone of them. I say “unjustly” because they never gave it enough time. Sure, maybe Ares’ unblockable reset in Injustice deserved to be nerfed, but it was nerfed month 1 iirc. Just because a certain move or strategy a character has is REALLY good, that doesn’t necessarily mean it needs to be nerfed.

Anyway, I could write an essay or a book about this topic, and I’ve already typed too much as it is. I just wish they’d do the 95:5 of buffing to nerf ratio instead. But don’t get me started on that either, lol.

Hit right at home for me with the part about Scorpion.

I too main him and I just couldn’t believe how he was handled in MK11 especially.

A string that was absolutely unsafe and useless like B141 you you were able to special cancel in the beta. Just literally no reason to use it. Awful.

B143 can’t be special canceled either.

Flawless block gap in a string that was unsafe.. F423

Flawless block gap in F3,4 when you can’t even combo off of it.

B3 being a next to useless armor breaker.. luckily was just a great attack.

B1,4 on a jumping opponent wouldn’t pick up and just left you vulnerable.

B1 is a mid that could be low profiled by low attacks like Noob’s D4.

Death spear combo not being able to be equipped without death spin.

Misery Blade 3 whiffing on certain characters like Kung Lao while Misery Blade 2 and 4 were unsafe no matter what you did. Even wasting meter on amplified versions!

Teleport was deemed unfair being a mid…but Jacqui can full screen jump with an aerial 50/50 and insane pressure tools.

That shit was an inside job.

I’m mad.

 

[BumbleBee]

This is why it sucks that I typically main characters like Scorpion. Since he gets played by so many people, naturally you’ll see far more complaints. Happened in MKX and MK11 (and even in Injustice lol). He was gutted (imo) in MKX when they removed his fb cancels, which absolutely didn’t deserve to be nerfed. The nerfs he received in MK11 were annoying, and they did bring him down a lot, but at least wasn’t as bad as the MKX nerfs. And it wouldn’t have been an issue if he actually deserved these nerfs, but he didn’t. He wasn’t dominating the meta, hell, he wasn’t even a top 5 character. But so many people complained, for instance about his teleport in MK11. That it basically forced NRS’ hand. It’s wild to me that in almost all of the NRS games; Injustice, MKX, Injustice 2 and MK11, my characters were unjustly nerfed in everyone of them. I say “unjustly” because they never gave it enough time. Sure, maybe Ares’ unblockable reset in Injustice deserved to be nerfed, but it was nerfed month 1 iirc. Just because a certain move or strategy a character has is REALLY good, that doesn’t necessarily mean it needs to be nerfed.

I will correct you here slighty. The biggest nerf hammer hit Scorpion ever took happened in Injustice 1. You know it, i know it, it's quite difficult to argue against that, moving on. The only thing i have to add is that those are the exact same type of people, who, once the patching process begins, will deem it too excessive and complain about a game "not being able to breathe". Quite a dichotomy, eh.

 

[Vslayer]

Hit right at home for me with the part about Scorpion.

I too main him and I just couldn’t believe how he was handled in MK11 especially.

A string that was absolutely unsafe and useless like B141 you you were able to special cancel in the beta. Just literally no reason to use it. Awful.

B143 can’t be special canceled either.

Flawless block gap in a string that was unsafe.. F423

Flawless block gap in F3,4 when you can’t even combo off of it.

B3 being a next to useless armor breaker.. luckily was just a great attack.

B1,4 on a jumping opponent wouldn’t pick up and just left you vulnerable.

B1 is a mid that could be low profiled by low attacks like Noob’s D4.

Death spear combo not being able to be equipped without death spin.

Misery Blade 3 whiffing on certain characters like Kung Lao while Misery Blade 2 and 4 were unsafe no matter what you did. Even wasting meter on amplified versions!

Teleport was deemed unfair being a mid…but Jacqui can full screen jump with an aerial 50/50 and insane pressure tools.

That shit was an inside job.

I’m mad.

All because people hate touching the block button.

Biggest problem with the FGC is that that as a community, a lot of people don't understand that not knowing how to counter something doesn't automatically make it broken or OP.

 

[Juggs]

I will correct you here slighty. The biggest nerf hammer hit Scorpion ever took happened in Injustice 1. You know it, i know it, it's quite difficult to argue against that, moving on. The only thing i have to add is that those are the exact same type of people, who, once the patching process begins, will deem it too excessive and complain about a game "not being able to breathe". Quite a dichotomy, eh.

What are you “correcting” exactly? I’m confused

 

[Eji1700]

Now you scroll through the comments

Found the issue.

And most competitive games just have a nerf/fix mentality these days. Devs have, slowly, learned to not nerf everything into the ground after some extreme fuckups (Brawl being one of the biggest), but at the end of the day competitive games show you how good you are. When people find out they suck, they start to blame whatever they can, so naturally it's the move that's unfair or whatever.

It's even better when they're trying to "predict" meta's, because even if the game doesn't change drastically, players are SO often wrong. SFVI had beta access, and players swore up and down that perfect parry shouldn't net reduced damage, that no one would use 3 bar drive rush, JP was utterly broken, and a bunch of other nonsense that has just turned out to be totally wrong a week after people had time to really lab the game.

 

[BumbleBee]

What are you “correcting” exactly? I’m confused

You said that in MKX he was "gutted". I say that it already happened in I1 and X's nerfs don't compare.