is playing high tier braindead characters making casual players worse at fighting games?

[Hiltzy85]

I don't play to win. I play because I love the game. A scrub is someone who pulls because they are losing. Call me names all you want because I'm not listening to your shit.

dude you're a scrub. A scrub is somebody who doesn't play to win. People who pull because they're losing are just dicks/bad sports.

 

[Lumpymoomilk]

so what happens if two players both use high-tier characters? are they both unskilled when either of them wins? I have no problem with people using a character because they like the character, but I think choosing somebody that you know sucks BECAUSE they suck is retarded. Nobody is going to put you up on some pedestal because you sometimes win with a crappy character.

I'm not saying using high tier characters makes people unskilled, I'm saying using high tier characters and relying only on a couple of things, barely knowing their character, makes them unskilled, but it doesn't mean they won't still win. As far as low tier, I'm not saying hey worship the low tier players. I'm saying in general they seem to know more about their character because they have to adapt more in matches to win at all.

 

[TaffyMeat]

dude you're a scrub. A scrub is somebody who doesn't play to win. People who pull because they're losing are just dicks/bad sports.

WINNING IS NOT EVERYTHING

 

[Hiltzy85]

I'm not saying using high tier characters makes people unskilled, I'm saying using high tier characters and relying only on a couple of things, barely knowing their character, makes them unskilled, but it doesn't mean they won't still win. As far as low tier, I'm not saying hey worship the low tier players. I'm saying in general they seem to know more about their character because they have to adapt more in matches to win at all.

sorry, this was actually in response to the guy saying that "winning with low tiers means skill"

 

[Alexandru Pascu]

I'm pretty average and don't take this game that seriously, don't go into practice mode that often, but I learn my characters as a whole still. I would consider myself pretty much a casual. Just what I seem to be noticing is if I'm fighting a Superman, a Green Lantern a Black Adam, they only do 1 or 2 things and if those don't work they have no idea what to do. Unlike generally fighting a Bane, a Joker, ect that are average like me they actually seem to adapt and use more of their tools. Maybe it's just because they have to or they wouldn't win at all.

I liked your Lobo. We played last night and you bodied my Shazam haha. I'd like to have a rematch sometime cause I came off a bit badly from that exchange and that is not usually my level of Shazam play. Probably had more to do with the fact that you're like only the 2nd Lobo I've ever come across.

 

[Element_]

If this is from a online perspective , then I vote Yes , i'm guna give you a example here.....I have had a big amount of online fights with all kinds of people , and remember nearly everything , i'v played a lot of Kung Lao mainers at the start when the game was released , then 3000 fights later they still havn't improved not much at all quite frankly...Lao is a easy way online for wins , yet I mained a bottom 5 character for a year ,then a mid-tier ever since and I improved dramatically . offline tourney's is different though.....play to win in that case.

 

[Onilordasmodeus]

WINNING IS NOT EVERYTHING

No its not, but your definition of a scrub isn't acurate.

To be clear, being a scrub doesn't mean you are a bad player, just that you hold yourself back from how far you could go. If you want to stay where you are, and embrace not being "cheap," that's cool, but by definition you have a "scrubby" mentality.

 

[Lumpymoomilk]

Sorry to break it to you, but you aren't a casual. Most people on the forum don't fall into the casual category...maybe the scrub category (I am not calling you a scrub)...but most casuals don't go further than the first level of understading of the fighting game genre.

Well there goes my hopes and dreams of being a scrub that wins online with with Lobo. I suppose the casual version then of a Joker/Bane/ares player would get destroyed in most matches then, they probably are better players than their records indicate just because of the uphill battles in some matches.

 

[Onilordasmodeus]

Well there goes my hopes and dreams of being a scrub that wins online with with Lobo. I suppose the casual version then of a Joker/Bane/ares player would get destroyed in most matches then, they probably are better players than their records indicate just because of the uphill battles in some matches.

Sorry, but your post went right over my head.

 

[Lumpymoomilk]

I liked your Lobo. We played last night and you bodied my Shazam haha. I'd like to have a rematch sometime cause I came off a bit badly from that exchange and that is not usually my level of Shazam play. Probably had more to do with the fact that you're like only the 2nd Lobo I've ever come across.

We can certainly rematch whenever I'm around, I enjoy a good challenge and Shazam is a match I'm not really very familiar with either because like you said hardly anyone plays our characters.

 

[Hiltzy85]

WINNING IS NOT EVERYTHING

Well there goes my hopes and dreams of being a scrub that wins online with with Lobo. I suppose the casual version then of a Joker/Bane/ares player would get destroyed in most matches then, they probably are better players than their records indicate just because of the uphill battles in some matches.

This is definitely correct. I've lost to plenty of Bane and Joker players online with losing records because they've spent the time to really explore their characters, and I don't know the match ups. If they were to have chosen to use Batman or Superman or Wonder Woman instead of Bane or whatever, they would definitely have excellent records, because they are actually very good players.

 

[Lumpymoomilk]

Sorry, but your post went right over my head.

I was just referring to you saying that anyone on here was not a casual, I think I went on a bit of an odd tangent though, the heat is frying my brain today.

 

[Element_]

I'm not saying using high tier characters makes people unskilled, I'm saying using high tier characters and relying only on a couple of things, barely knowing their character, makes them unskilled, but it doesn't mean they won't still win. As far as low tier, I'm not saying hey worship the low tier players. I'm saying in general they seem to know more about their character because they have to adapt more in matches to win at all.

Good speech sir , i certainly agree .

 

[Briggs8417]

This is probably one of the three worst threads I've ever read in my time on this site. It's all full of false, biased "knowledge" and is full of hatred and ignorance. I actually lost IGAU knowledge reading all this. How do I do my vortex again?

 

[Hellion_96]

The main thing I notice when I play people who have really good W/L records using autopilot batman or superman is that as long as they are in the lead or on the offensive, they're dangerous, but as soon as you put pressure on them, they're completely defenseless.

I guess this is pretty much in agreement with really good characters leading to really average players having an inflated sense of how good they are at the game.

I think that's the best way to tell a good player from a fraud. Learning offence is a lot easier than learning defense (especially in this game). Most random online supermans or batmans completely crumble when you start your offence and look dumbfounded when you successfully block their mixups.

 

[Lumpymoomilk]

This is probably one of the three worst threads I've ever read in my time on this site. It's all full of false, biased "knowledge" and is full of hatred and ignorance. I actually lost IGAU knowledge reading all this. How do I do my vortex again?

That was the plan, I guess it's working.

 

[Hiltzy85]

I think that's the best way to tell a good player from a fraud. Learning offence is a lot easier than learning defense (especially in this game). Most random online supermans or batmans completely crumble when you start your offence and look dumbfounded when you successfully block their mixups.

my favourite is when Superman players go for really, really poorly spaced air dash cross ups, or they do them from like max jump height. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

 

[Briggs8417]

That was the plan, I guess it's working.

Flawlessly.

 

[RiBBz22]

my favourite is when Superman players go for really, really poorly spaced air dash cross ups, or they do them from like max jump height. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

d2, GGs

 

[Hiltzy85]

d2, GGs

no man that shit mixes me up so bad that I can't even press buttons it's impossible

 

[Alexandru Pascu]

Flawlessly.

Finish him!

 

[Dog With A Beer]

I think what it comes down to is when you don't have to work that hard to win then most people won't. As a Bane player it took me a lot of work before I became convinced Bane wasn't ass tier when I'd lose to someone who used 2 strings the entire match. I think when you have tools that aren't good in all situations it forces you to work on the fundamentals like oki, yomi, spacing, etc in order to force situations where you CAN use your good tools. Forcing myself to make my Bane effective made me much better at the game in general. I'm casual as fuck though, haha. So to summarize I think good tools breed laziness because most people will do the bare minimum.