Can you DM me or post the scans of when The Flash used 'Trans-time velocity' to be everywhere and every when at once. I have only heard about it
You mean this? lol I actually mentioned this earlier those beings are nigh omnipotent deities who can transport/teleport anywhere instantaneously yet Flash beat them lol they even admitted it. It was a bet.
Wow, this did turn into a comic versus forum there for a second. lol
Ultimately, these conversations are often difficult to have because the comics themselves are full of contradictions. Most of these characters are close enough in power that they are all capable of defeating each other. Batman is the exception to this, but he is equally as capable because so many writers (and fans) want it to be so.
I wanted to respond because in I thought you were a bit disingenuous in the posting of some of those scans. In the Sacrifice fight, for example, you left out all of the scans where WW had the advantage (breaking Supe's ribs, bashing his ears, cutting his throat, getting the best of him h2h, etc) and left out that she stated that she was holding back. In other stories she has stated twice that she is faster than him in combat and Batman backed her up. She's done very well against all of the other Krypttonians she's faced, except for DD in their first encounter. Personally, I think Superman wins 6 out of 10 fights and that's without her fully gearing up.
As for MMH, Diana is (or was pre-New52) immune to mind control, illusions and other forms of telepathic assault. I don't believe he has any strength, speed or durability feats that put him over her. His intangibility and shape-shifting would be his best bet against her. However, the lasso being magical makes be wonder if she'd be able to ensnare him in any of his forms.
Flash should be unbeatable given his power set. No one writes him like that though because it would be extremely boring. He's obviously faster than her, but she has speed feats of her own, has tagged and lassoed Zoom, and has dealt with speedsters before. She also had a sparring session with Flash, MMH, and other leaguers while blindfolded and she beat all of them. They made a point of having Batman comment that she was able to adapt to Flash's speed. Sure, it's silly, but that's comics for you.
I can't have any serious conversation about Batman. He's everyone's favorite and writers will always write him to be a threat, even when he has no business on the playing field. I will say that he probably would beat her in a powerless, H2H fight, but your description of WW's skill is not accurate. Her reliance on her sword is a recent development. Batman himself has called her the greatest melee fighter on the planet. She's sparred with Black Canary and Lady Shiva without using her powers. She has also trained Superman and Supergirl as well. She too has been stated to know every known form of martial arts and to be proficient with every weapon.
The Flash and Superman are the only two I could see beating her more times than she would beat them. GL, MMH, Aquaman, Shazam (the lasso really puts this in her favor), Cyborg and Batman would lose a majority. People really don't give her enough credit. She has some crazy feats.
Yeah lol I mean I love comics, sometimes they go a little insane I mean look at the scan above lol others times they do things for plot or may be PIS or CIS for sake of story but usually I'd say Batman and Flash are two characters who've been consistent for the most part, Superman too though depending on the version some are MORE insane than others lol. You're right but there's also a scan limit per post rule on here as to why I didn't post EVERY scan, I'm aware of what you speak of though. She kicks his ass and punches him, but he's also kicked her ass depending on the story as well. Honestly, I think WW can take Supes but the one thing people forget is Supes holds back a lot....especially against his friends, take Injustice Superman or any other darker or evil Superman not afraid to hold back, and it's a different ballgame you know what I mean?
I also did point out that she handled Zod and Faora well, but would struggle more against Superman as he's also dealt or beat Zod etc. The DD for me is a difference maker, in every fight every era so far be it the 90's or now, WW has struggled against DD WAY more than Superman including currently. I do think she's one of the few leaguers who can take DD besides Superman for a while at least though which is impressive since it's freaking DD lol. The guy just can't be put down for long.
MMH's strength is comparable to Superman not quite that strong but then none of the other leaguers are equal to Supes including Diana. But he's a lot stronger than people give him credit for. I believe New 52 she's resistent to mind control as well during the brainiac arch, though MMH is one of the more powerful telepaths if he pushed himself he could get into her mind I'd wager, reason why I say this is he was able to get into Spectre's mind which is an insane feat when you think about it considering what The Spectre is. He's also scanned the entire Earth of billions of minds in seconds looking for his partners killer, has TP across the galaxy etc he's also gotten into the minds of other cosmic beings besides Spectre like Shadow Lords, tanked blasts from them, tanked blasts from Jenny Quantum a reality warper etc he's a lot more durable than people realize. But if that don't work the phasing would be an issue for WW, combat wise I have no doubt she'd beat him but he's like Supes in regards to being a swiss army knife he has lots of things to use.
I agree, Flash is super OP though I do think in a fight to the death or serious Flash would dust her if he wanted. In that one scan I posted she admits she can't match his top speeds and is worried for good reason taking on a blood lusted out of his mind Flash, Flash is capable of that or worse if he pushes himself but normally he holds back his top speeds so he's more taggable. Like you said they have to nerf him. I know that story you speak of blindfolded beating Zoom, some say that's PIS but it does show Diana's combat against a speedster, though I will say Flash is more imaginative and smarter than Zoom with his powers.
I remember that Batman said that, but just pointing out that my earlier point was more so if they were on equal footing Batman could potentially take her I mean he was giving Karate Kid hard time and he's from the future, has more knowledge, styles under his belt yet Bruce was giving him trouble and even admitted he could learn from Batman a thing or two. Diana being immortal is a skill but not sure automatic advantage if Bats can give someone from the future with more martial arts styles than him a hard time, all I'm saying lol. Obviously without prep he loses badly, he has taken her and the JL on though with the Justice Buster. The only one able to damage it was Superman....he obviously shouldn't win all the time but just saying he's dangerous with prep because he's smarter than all of them and one of the smartest in comics in general, knowledge is power. He needs it since he's not a metahuman or anything.
I agree for the most part though I do think Shazam could put her down if not for the lasso and MMH I'd still say can beat Diana a few different ways besides Flash and Supes. Batman may not be able to beat her, but with prep he can definitely deal with her.
TO BATTLE! Thanks for your post, here are my correct 100% factual counterpoints:
I am, of course, going by current New 52 WoWo, in which case she clearly has been shown several times to be superior to Superman in EVERY way other than brute strength.
They both took nukes to the face, later while he was a gross almost dead zombie, she was about fully healed. She was either more durable than Supes or healed super fast there, much faster than almost dead Superman.
She beats people he cant handle.
She clearly is the New 52s number one fighter.
And God of War Diana? gg no re.
Doomsday she was surprised, and nearly healed instantly from her wounds.... and Superman didnt do anything against DD, he teleported away immediately. DD killed Superman too. DD is kind of those PiS characters too, like the hulk.
Wonder Woman loses to Batman with prep? Nay. Batman in the new 52 knows he cant beat WoWo, and his only plan against WoWo is hopefully Superman can stop her.
Loses to SHAZAM!? Her godly gifts are the same as Shazam.... but her difference is she's fought for thousand years and SHAZAM! has no gear, all her gear easily defends against his abilities and she can cut his head off as if he were a normal man. Without her gear it'd be closer, although her personal battle experience probably gives her still the edge.
"especially if Superman has trouble tagging Flash"
See here, with total respect, you show your ignorance of Wonder Woman. More than once, and recently, its been shown and flat out stated by Batman that Wonder Woman is FASTER than Superman in a fight. So Superman having trouble hitting Flash doesnt mean WoWo would have the same trouble Superman would. She is faster than him in every way other than from Point A to Point B over a large distance.
Shes defeated a god faster than Flash too, obviously. I feel like Flash though should be one of those characters who should never lose. He cant beat DDay, but he should never get tagged by him. But eventually if the fight were to end itd be him getting stupid or surprised or outsmarted by someone infinitely smarter than him, like Batman or WoWo.
And uhhhh now WoWo is immune to mind stuff, and I believe so far all magic, due to divine blood.
WoWo is like Superman + Batman + SHAZAM! + a dash of Aquaman or THOR.
With respect.
She has to use her powers and thats bad somehow?
Batman in the last few years said WoWo is the best Melee fighter on earth.
TO EVERYONE posting scans of hero vs hero fights, those should never be taken seriously... because as of now every hero has defeated every other hero... and most of the time it makes absolutely zero sense.
Batman hitting Aquaman hard enough to hurt him? batman being strong enough to knock the wind out of hulk with one kick? Superman forgetting Superspeed when fighting slow hulk? THOR forgetting godblasts when fighting hulk? Flash forgetting about all his abilities when he loses to WoWo and Superman? MMH fighting like an idiot and losing. Etc.
Hero vs hero fights are illogically written things written just for fun and for the fans... without pissing off anyone.
Disagree regarding the strength factor between supes and diana and durablility, if you remember Supes was benching the earth's weight 5 days straight WITHOUT rest or sunlight exposure.....and the nuke arch, you do remember that Diana was more injured than Superman, Superman had to heal but zombie looking he still had more strength and power than Diana, he had to fly her to themyscira to heal....once he hit the sun he was already regenerating, and had the power enough to fly back to FOS to rest/fully recharge via solar exposure.
He's beaten people she can't handle too (Doomsday, Darkseid, Helspont, Brainiac)
She rarely goes GOW Diana and didn't seem to use it against Superman when she needed to.
Superman killed DD by ripping him apart though...Diana wasn't close to doing that, she had her arms broken. The surprise wasn't that big of an element, she's a warrior always ready to fight and underestimated him at first. Against the N52 version, Pre N52 she got her ass kicked flat out along with the rest of the JL GL, MMH, Flash, Booster Gold, etc, et
Superman in both stories has proved to take on DD much better than Diana.
That's why I said Pre N52 Batman has beaten WW with prep. New 52 he has no plan other than Superman even though he managed against her and the JL during the Damian arch, I'm also pretty sure the hellbat suit can take Diana since he was tanking hits from Darkseid lol...
Overall she'll beat Shazam due to smarter, more experience and the lasso but hand to hand I think Shazam can take her, read Flashpoint he was giving her trouble til she used the lasso and forced him to go kiddy mode lol
With all due respect you're showing your ignorance if you think anyone is faster than Flash, nobody is not even a God. Whoever you're talking about he or she is not faster than Flash, Flash may as well be the God of Speed, the dude is faster than Shazam and WW who are graced with Mercury and Hermes speed, you know God's of speed yet Flash is still faster....
Flash has the speed force=faster than anything in the universe, hell mutliverse short of God/Presence himself. Period. Post scans of whoever you're talking about and I will post Flash doing something far better with feats. And I posted scans of Wally beating the hell and moving way faster than WW so are you just going to ignore them? lol Cause the facts speak for themselves dude. Also, while WW may have faster combat speed than Superman, she is NOT faster than Clark flying speed as he's literally tagged and right behind Flash and has moved light speed, escaped black holes etc. When has WW ever done this? lolvNever. So no WW is not faster than Superman from A to B, combat speed yes but that's it, everything else running, flight Supes stomps her and Flash just demolishes her if he really wants. The Flash beat nigh omnipotent teleportation deities with his speed....across the universe. Let's see WW do that. WW has also never done this to Flash, actually catching a mind controlled crazy Flash...
DD adapts to everything, she can't beat him either lol nobody in the JL can except Superman....
Thor isn't even all that, the dude has been punked by Hulk and his own hammer against him lol I think Diana is smarter than Thor honestly, and GOW version easily on par if not surpassing him. Yet in other stories Hulk as been KO by Captain America and Spiderman, two people who WW would demolish lol.
I'm just saying she had to use her powers against a mere mortal, human without powers...just think about that.
I agree that hero vs hero has their gimmicks, pis elements etc but just pointing out that sometimes they're viable and canon in same universes case. Crossovers are fan voted usually but that one Batman vs. AM is canon, it's just a showing to show how good of a fighter Bats is. Yes, currently he said WW is the best fighter on Earth, I'm just saying he's also ONE of the best H2H fighters as well obviously and he's only human so that's all he can do besides being smarter.
Ryu Hayabusa: While that's true, it's also true that pre flashpoint as I've posted Wally has owned WW and she admits she can't tag him if he's going that fast, he's too fast for her. The sacrifice yes but Superman was killing her had she not used kryptonite that Batman gave her....sure Supes was mind controlled but that's my point, if he didn't hold back he'd beat WW down not a doubt in my mind. She may hold her own a while but he can just sundip for days in space, she can't.
I just wanted to respond to the points above. 
...Hermes/Mercury is a God of speed, the SF is literally omnipresent/omniversal and as it exists within the DC Multiverse...it's the source of all speedsters on every or infinite Earths lol. Speed is Flash's game. The Speed Force is said to be connected to the Source which is connected to God, so yeah I'd say SF>>>>Hermes with speed. The stuff the SF allows Flash to do is just kind of stupid OP at times. Hermes also lacks the feats to be on par with Flash. Flash has dodged lightning before as well so I'd say most likely no. He can also not throw lightning of his own not just from the show, but Wally can do it(kid Flash current Wally black version) and he's just learning, lol in original continuity which DC admits is still out there and canon just other universes etc Barry actually became one with the Speed Force and became the lighting bolt that struck him in the past....crazy as he became pure energy. Flash is also way FTL speed...
