I'm excited to try this in juggles. I've been using f2413 as an opener just to get the extra 4 in there but didn't think to use it to be able to get the d4 cancel. I also use 2413 after a jump in, I've been doing jump2, 2413, mb gun, back dash d4, but can maybe get a d4 after a 2413??? I can't wait for work to be over so I can go home and try these.
You can cancel 2143 xx D4.
I was responding to what SimSim said: "I found that doing f2413 xx d4 was easier to do for me"... Thats why I started thinking about that string but I get what you are saying. 4, b12, d4 cancels into the trait grab too.
Ohhhh, okay, sorry. Yeah, you can use 2413 instead. Feels a little weird to me, but like Sim said, I think it's just all preference.
Yup its a strange timing. 4 b12 d4 is the only normal canceled to d4 that I can get 100% of the time, it just comes out at the speed my hands like to do it I guess. Thats why I got excited about f2413 d4 because I'm hoping it fits that same speed that my fingers like and I'm already super comfortable doing f2413 because I use that and 2413 in my bnbs.
SmartOk, so I'm super excited because landing f2413 d4 is really easy timing. Its not even tricky compared to some of the other time based cancels to trait grab. If you can do f2413 well this is in my opinion one of the easiest trait grab cancels. Also, 2413 D4 is the same way. For both of them you just dial in the buttons and immediately do d4 without waiting so the input is simply f2413d4 all immediately, or 2413d4 immediately and you get the trait grab every time. Now on their own this isn't huge but this is great for me because these both work to end combos with to get the grab into reset situations. You can do simple stuff like f2413,4,f2413d4 for 30%, and 2413, 4, 2413d4 for 26%. I'm sure people will milk these for better damage but I'm excited because I can land these 100% of the time but I was struggling with ending combos with f2,3,d4 and in general just 4,f2, d4 stuff. I still need to learn those but I get to start implementing reset stuff in my game because these are really easy and consistent
AK Pig Of The Hut SimSim
That's why I'm sticking with f213xxPS 4 d4
I blow so hard currently at the f213 4 3 4 f2 43d2 d4cancel
Ok f2413d4 is so f ing easy it feels like butterOk, so I'm super excited because landing f2413 d4 is really easy timing. Its not even tricky compared to some of the other time based cancels to trait grab. If you can do f2413 well this is in my opinion one of the easiest trait grab cancels. Also, 2413 D4 is the same way. For both of them you just dial in the buttons and immediately do d4 without waiting so the input is simply f2413d4 all immediately, or 2413d4 immediately and you get the trait grab every time. Now on their own this isn't huge but this is great for me because these both work to end combos with to get the grab into reset situations. You can do simple stuff like f2413,4,f2413d4 for 30%, and 2413, 4, 2413d4 for 26%. I'm sure people will milk these for better damage but I'm excited because I can land these 100% of the time but I was struggling with ending combos with f2,3,d4 and in general just 4,f2, d4 stuff. I still need to learn those but I get to start implementing reset stuff in my game because these are really easy and consistent
AK Pig Of The Hut SimSim
Well, you can't do it naturally at the end of combos due to gravity scaling like you would by canceling the D4. And instead of just a 213 D4, you can do 2134, 2143D4 for a little more damage I guess.
At the end of a combo like f213, 4, 3, 4, 2413, d4? It won't work, and if it does the timing is harder, 2413 d4 works every time no fail, no timing adjustment. When the gravity scaling is up late in the combo the cancel grabs really fast.
Also 4b12 d4 u should piano roll the 12 while holding back
Yea the holding has nothing to do with what you are doing
You just need to dial it in. 