I need some opinions from the Community

[TheSpore]

OK it has been a very long time since I have posted on this forum. I left the tourney world for a while and I have been running a YT channel since then. I'm back for a while though BC I need some thoughts and opinions from the REAL MK community.

Since MK11's reveal and Jade's trailer dropped I have seen so many arguments claiming that NRS is now pandering to SJWs (Social Justice Warriors) and Feminists BC the new looks for Sonya, Skarlet, and Jade are not as scantly clad as they were in previous games. Even though MKX did the same and yet still had costumes where the women weren't exactly fully clothed. They are even going as far to say they are purposefully making the female faces look ugly to pander to them (We all know NRS and female faces).

This article here is being referenced multiple times by folks trying to say these things.
https://t.co/1DkdjNHn4b

Even making this claim the Tyler Lansdown is attacking fans...

Even after calling that author's idiocy out he went insane
https://twitter.com/The_Spore666/status/1096531693815713802

Now we have YTers putting crazy things out like this

I have tried to squelch this idiocy, esp. BC they claim Reddit is the entirety of the MK Community.

I have been called and SJW and crazy soyboy and even a feminist for going and disagreeing with this nonsense and calling out their stupid. Hell my entire YT channel is literally built upon calling out SJW nonsense, yet somehow I am the SJW and Feminazi now (go figure) for disagreeing.

Now, I am just here to please ask what the communities opinions and thoughts are about the current direction MK11 is going and do you see it as this SJW thing, or not. Why and Why not.

If you took the time to answer, thank you!

 

[HeavyNorse]

Nah, some people are just babies who cry when they can't see the boobies.

 

[Espio]

The people that are against social justice warriors are more annoying than the people they claim to be against, which is why their whining is so funny.

Sonya has a costume in MK11 with her classic tank top and tummy showing plus her MKX look returning in blue, there's NOTHING even different about Sonya as she has the best of the modern and old so no point in them crying about her.

Jade actually LOOKS like a female Assassin instead of just wearing lingerie. It's fine if people liked MK9 Jade, but to be outraged because the female characters are afforded the SAME respect as their male counterparts is laughable. I feel very confident in saying most of the dude bros wanting Jade in bra and panties aren't going to play her anyway which makes it even more of a "Why do you care?" ordeal.

Skarlet has multiple looks, one of which has her showing more skin than her default and unmasked. Skarlet actually looks like a cool character now because her primary and only costume when she was DLC in MK9 was just bra, panties and oddly placed shoulder pads that made no sense given she has made no effort to protect the rest of her body.

These MK11 costumes actually have THOUGHT put into them and actually speak to the characters they are because in MK9 I wouldn't believe Sonya was a military chick or Jade was meant to be a serious assassin.


If the female characters have to be butt naked to be likable then you never liked them anyway and should stop pretending like their problem is "pandering" as if making the girls wearing nothing, boobs and ass out everywhere isn't "pandering". It's just pandering to what you like so then it's just awesome and acceptable. No thanks.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

The idea of 'SJWs' is stupid to begin with. It's 2019 and most people want women in video games to look like real people instead of hentai fuckdolls. The sad dudes who cannot get off without giant naked cartoon tits deserve to be left in the dust.

 

[TheSpore]

The people that are against social justice warriors are more annoying than the people they claim to be against, which is why their whining is so funny.

Thank you for a measured response old friend Its good to see your still around been a long time. That's my point too. Yes I am one of the people who rail against the SJW thing, but I try to be measured on it and try to make sure I am calling out things correctly and not misstepping like in this case. I try not to scream SJW at everything and only where it truly seems to be the case.

 

[Espio]

The idea of 'SJWs' is stupid to begin with. It's 2019 and most people want women in video games to look like real people instead of hentai fuckdolls. The sad dudes who cannot get off without giant naked cartoon tits deserve to be left in the dust.

SMH, TYPICAL FEMINIST DOESN'T GET BONER CULTURE!!!!

YOU GUYS ARE THE REASON WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS DOOMED SMDFH.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

SMH, TYPICAL FEMINIST DOESN'T GET BONER CULTURE!!!!

YOU GUYS ARE THE REASON WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS DOOMED SMDFH.

HOW DARE ANYONE SAY VIDEO GAMES SHOULD BE MORE WELCOMING TO WOMEN, THERE IS NO SEXISM IN VIDEO GAMES

[moments later] I CAN ONLY SEE HALF OF RAINBOW MIKA'S LABIA, THIS GAME IS FOR CUCKS

 

[GLoRToR]

It's a design choice to make their characters after real people rather than cartoons and that trend has been happening since the very first game.

Many people forget the early games having the lineup of characters with the name of the actors like in a movie.

While I absolutely loved the cartoony style, vivid colours and lovely backgrounds of MK9, I need to remind newer players how -that- is the outlier and historically speaking MK is just returning to its roots with how Miss Rousey is Sonya for instance.

I also need to remind most of us that costumes are a thing much like in Injustice 2, and Sonya has already had her MK3 Tank Top and Leggings in the early build. Chances are many of her other outfits and hairstyles will make an appearance, and that she is proven to have a younger face as well as an older one with how the story revolves around time travel.

This also goes for Skarlet whose early build outfit I did not like at all personally, but y'know.

I'm an adult and I know what I like, while I don't need to knock the likes of other people.

I do think that NRS is "going sjw" (what the fuck ever that is, we don't have this in Europe so I had to google it) because they want to cater to a wider audience and because the game is about brutal fighting not about the ancient chinese art of Why-Fu.

Rest assured that sexy outfits will still be a thing for sure.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

Honestly I'm not into women but the idea that anyone finds this design:

to be sexier than this design:

is bizarre to me.

Isn't that level of porn-y tits-out design more garish than sexy? Personally speaking I'm much more turned on by a hot guy in a cool form-fitting outfit than a hot guy in a thong.

MK11 Skarlet has a more ornate, elaborate sex appeal. There's some subtlety and mystery to it, instead of 'here is literally every inch of my naked body'. But it's still sexy -- she's wearing a skintight catsuit and has cleavage windows. And she still looks more like a supermodel than a martial artist. Surely this is an improvement.

 

[TheSpore]

HOW DARE ANYONE SAY VIDEO GAMES SHOULD BE MORE WELCOMING TO WOMEN, THERE IS NO SEXISM IN VIDEO GAMES

[moments later] I CAN ONLY SEE HALF OF RAINBOW MIKA'S LABIA, THIS GAME IS FOR CUCKS

LOL you two... Thing is I have noticed a trend lately where these folks are becoming the exact same thing as those they scream about. Since MK11's reveal these fools have been raging against me for calling that out.

The SJW thing is a thing, all it is though, is when you see a dev or creator shift their product 100% to cater to an audience and starts injecting politics into it. If you know what I mean, all of which I have not at all seen NRS do ever. The closet thing was the couple of Dialogue lines in MKX referencing Kung Jin being gay and those were heavily nuanced.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

LOL you two... Thing is I have noticed a trend lately where these folks are becoming the exact same thing as those they scream about. Since MK11's reveal these fools have been raging against me for calling that out.

The SJW thing is a thing, all it is though, is when you see a dev or creator shift their product 100% to cater to an audience and starts injecting politics into it. If you know what I mean, all of which I have not at all seen NRS do ever. The closet thing was the couple of Dialogue lines in MKX referencing Kung Jin being gay and those were heavily nuanced.

I just think all art is political to begin with, and I don't think there's anything wrong with making your casts more diverse or trying to represent and appeal to more kinds of people. 'SJW' as a framework is built on the idea that it's Wrong to 'add politics' to things, but MK9 for example has its own politic -- that politic is a pretty retrograde one, lol. Anyone insisting we go back to Tittyfest 2011 is in a real way arguing for a political position of their own. 'Politics' isn't the exclusive domain of liberals/progressives. Conservative opinions -- or being a ~retro gamer~ as this guy puts it -- are still political.

But on the basic 'censorship' level it is insane to me that women who are still wearing skintight leather catsuits are considered 'too covered up' by these guys. People saying Juri's design in SFV is sexless or whatever when she's literally in a BDSM outfit, it boggles the mind. Do they need actually naked skin to find a woman attractive? How do they operate in the real world?

 

[HeavyNorse]

I see a lot of people yelling "SJW's AND FEMINISTS ARE TRIGGERED!!!" which is ironic considering it is those people who are triggered about the boobies being covered up.

 

[TheSpore]

I just think all art is political to begin with, and I don't think there's anything wrong with making your casts more diverse or trying to represent and appeal to more kinds of people. 'SJW' as a framework is built on the idea that it's Wrong to 'add politics' to things, but MK9 for example has its own politic -- that politic is a pretty retrograde one, lol. Anyone insisting we go back to Tittyfest 2011 is in a real way arguing for a political position of their own. 'Politics' isn't the exclusive domain of liberals/progressives. Conservative opinions -- or being a ~retro gamer~ as this guy puts it -- are still political.

But on the basic 'censorship' level it is insane to me that women who are still wearing skintight leather catsuits are considered 'too covered up' by these guys. People saying Juri's design in SFV is sexless or whatever when she's literally in a BDSM outfit, it boggles the mind. Do they need actually naked skin to find a woman attractive? How do they operate in the real world?

It comes from a trend we see where devs get shamed a lot if they make a design that is "sexy" or well showing skin. It is very common to see articles from teh gaming media calling ___ game Sexist BC it has a scantly clad female in it, or something like that.

I would say look at how DOA gets treated prior to DOA6's PR stuff.

When I say politics in the game I mean when creators shove literal political preaching, say look at almost any Marvel Comic now a days

 

[GLoRToR]

Honestly I'm not into women but the idea that anyone finds this design:


to be sexier than this design:


is bizarre to me.

Isn't that level of porn-y tits-out design more garish than sexy? Personally speaking I'm much more turned on by a hot guy in a cool form-fitting outfit than a hot guy in a thong.

MK11 Skarlet has a more ornate, elaborate sex appeal. There's some subtlety and mystery to it, instead of 'here is literally every inch of my naked body'. But it's still sexy -- she's wearing a skintight catsuit and has cleavage windows. And she still looks more like a supermodel than a martial artist. Surely this is an improvement.

I don't really like either.
I always found that loincloth ridiculous, but then it made sense sort of because it was Shao Kahn who created Skarlet and it's always been a habit of despotic fucks to dress their slave women in little more than absolutely nothing.
I also don't like that hairstyle, skintight leather is not my thing and her face is a typical NRS face with a huge ass jawbone.
Personally, I'd prefer her to be a red ninja wearing a black outfit with a red mask and shawl but that's not "design" enough so I understand why they went for the biker look. This is mortal kombat and she's the Red Ninja Girl.
I have Soul Calibur if I want to create fantasy women wearing whatever.

MK should look like MK. Which is why I'll probably pick the mk3 look for most girls.

On a more personal level, boys will be boys. Tits and ass are just how evolution makes young males like young females. A grown man in real life (who's had his share of tits and ass already) tends to aim for intelligent women with whatever other personality traits one finds attractive.
I don't personally think that you need to fight for your right not to look at tits and asses any more than dudes need to fight for their right to look at them in a game.
This game will have both and we will all hopefully get a design we can connect with to pick from.

I find this argument for- and against making females wear more clothes or less clothes to be preschool at best. Everyone can choose what they like without attacking one another's likes.

 

[scrillantro]

Holy shit that dude made a 10 minute video from Tyler telling a no-avi dude on twitter with 1 follower that he doesn't want his respect and clickbaits the shit out of it

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

It comes from a trend we see where devs get shamed a lot if they make a design that is "sexy" or well showing skin. It is very common to see articles from teh gaming media calling ___ game Sexist BC it has a scantly clad female in it, or something like that.

I would say look at how DOA gets treated prior to DOA6's PR stuff.

When I say politics in the game I mean when creators shove literal political preaching, say look at almost any Marvel Comic now a days

I don't think scanty outfits are really what people have a huge problem with, so much as how women are presented. In terms of Street Fighter, no feminist I know has a problem with Cammy, or Rainbow Mika, or Laura, and all those women in SFV are more naked than any Street Fighter ladies in history -- Cammy's leotard is a full-on thong these days.

DOA as a franchise has a history of treating women as objects, which is the thing people have a problem with. And yes, scanty outfits are part of that, but it has more to do with the way the women act and the way the camera frames them. In MKX you can still see Mileena's thong and Tanya and Kitana still show lots of skin, but they don't rub their tits or do a pole dance in their win poses the way characters did in MK9. It's about presentation.

(And Marvel Comics have always been political. The X-Men are literal social justice warriors. Marvel Editorial from its inception was a very liberal bunch, and Captain America in particular was always a very left-wing character. I think a lot of readers just didn't understand those themes and symbols when they were reading the comics as kids, but they were always there. That's a sidenote to this conversation, I just think this argument about Marvel is goofy.)

 

[Baconlord]

I honestly don't really give a fuck about the social justice aspects of it I just think making every female on the roster ivy from sc is just boring. none of the the mk9 females designs had any personality to them. hell even a character like sonya had a weird military bikini kind of thing going on which doesn't fit the character at all. Just looking at scarlet's design in mk11 compared to mk9, the mk11 one has so much more personality to it.

also if people are really upset that they can't jack off while playing mk11 then there's no hope for them.

 

[stokedAF]

The idea of 'SJWs' is stupid to begin with. It's 2019 and most people want women in video games to look like real people instead of hentai fuckdolls. The sad dudes who cannot get off without giant naked cartoon tits deserve to be left in the dust.

The idea of “social justice” is stupid to begin with. Actual justice and natural law will always prevail, no matter how clever people think they are with fake terms that change meanings like a mood ring. The utopian philosophies across the spectrum are impossible with free will and nature.

So the random twitter comment isn’t even a factor in it honestly lol. Am I honestly supposed to be defending a guy that said “make women sexy if you want my money and respect” lol? I mean who cares honestly? Why do we even know about that tweet? Because landsdown replied? I could not care less personally. About the tweet or reply.

See my “beef” isn’t with them looking like fuckdolls with their titties hanging out. My only question is why do the women all look sickly and skinny? In mk9 Sonya had some meat and looked like a capable fighter. Like this picture of Alex zedra
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/3a/18/71/3a18711e1348fc684441c680b0e8966d--killing-it-waffen.jpg

You can still be sexy without your titties hanging out. And you can look more like a capable fighter and badass as well. All of the women so far have that same frame. It’s not that they aren’t sexy to me it’s that they look weak and brittle.

Edit: no, I don’t think they have gone “sjw”. I think that’s just the kind of skins 16bit is into. Or whoever picks the load outs.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

See my “beef” isn’t with them looking like fuckdolls with their titties hanging out. My only question is why do the women all look sickly and skinny? In mk9 Sonya had some meat and looked like a capable fighter. Like this picture of Alex zedra
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/3a/18/71/3a18711e1348fc684441c680b0e8966d--killing-it-waffen.jpg

You can still be sexy without your titties hanging out. And you can look more like a capable fighter and badass as well. All of the women so far have that same frame. It’s not that they aren’t sexy to me it’s that they look weak and brittle.

I agree NRS's female models in MKX and IJ2 were very weirdly skinny. The MK11 ones look better to me on that score -- Jade in particular looks sturdy, though Sonya still is too skinny. But I'd like to see more body diversity with the female NRS characters in general. SFV has women with all kinds of body types: Ibuki is petite, Karin is slender, Juri is lithe, Laura is an hourglass bombshell, Mika is a muscular bodybuilder, Kolin has prominent hips, et cetera. All the female NRS characters usually look like headswaps on the same body.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Jade is a reanimated corpse assassin, I’d say she looks great considering that

Sonya is a military general that’s gotta be pushing 50

Skarlet is a psychotic blood witch

I think they look appropriate for what their character type should be.

 

[stokedAF]

I agree NRS's female models in MKX and IJ2 were very weirdly skinny. The MK11 ones look better to me on that score -- Jade in particular looks sturdy, though Sonya still is too skinny. But I'd like to see more body diversity with the female NRS characters in general. SFV has women with all kinds of body types: Ibuki is petite, Karin is slender, Juri is lithe, Laura is an hourglass bombshell, Mika is a muscular bodybuilder, Kolin has prominent hips, et cetera. All the female NRS characters usually look like headswaps on the same body.

Yeah exactly. It’s not even a complaint but just an observation on the topic. I think it had less to do with their “agenda” and more to do with their capabilities as a studio. Which is fine lol. I’m still a fan.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Honestly, women are getting pretty great representation in games. “Strong female character” is kind of a meme now for females with no personality that are disproportionally powerful to the characters around them for no logical reason. And for their personalities they have to be over the top whimsical and funny (like Rey from Star Wars) or just a bitch (MCU Black Widow- who says basically nothing that isn’t some witty sarcasm, despite her being in a fuck ton of these movies she has absolutely no personality)

However games are doing pretty great I think. They post MK9 MK females are badass and still attractive, without being sex symbols, in the new Tomb Raider games Lara is badass and looks like a real woman, once again she looks great but doesn’t have ridiculous features. Cortana, Miranda Keyes, and Veronica Dare from Halo. Elizabeth from Bioshock Infinite, Ellie from The Last of Us, and Elena from Uncharted all come to mind too. They’re all great and most of these characters are written well and feel human.

 

[MKF30]

Going to be 100% honest here between what I've seen as well as from my own personal experiences. I've seen people who complain about SJW's at protests, the internet and real life in person they're not nearly as annoying as actual SJW's. Example: I had this one SJW at a previous job literally give me shit because she was offended by the girl on the cover portraying all women as degrading sluts(was the cover of a movie and video game she didn't approve of), and to add to that she wouldn't take the fucking bag after her purchase she was extremely rude, obnoxious so I gave her back that attitude in a passive aggressive way.

I was like "sorry you have to take the bag unless you want security jumping you miss lots of people try to steal often without the bag"


Her: what? But I paid for it and not taking the bag, nope no it's not good for the environment, I want paper or nothing at all!"

Me: "I see, it's ok you can take the bag sorry we don't have paper miss, just take the plastic bag then throw it away once you exit the store"

Her: No, no I'm not throwing away the bag not good for the Earth.

Me: Sorry, store policy to put the purchases in the bag for guests. If you buy something from electronics without a bag you'll be stopped by security, some guy got tackled earlier because he ran out of the store without a bag since he threw away the bag with the receipt in it...especially this time of the year when it's post holidays and dead, they expect it.

Her: rolls eyes, friends force her to take the bag.

Me: Thank you, have a nice day.

Point is, from my experiences anyway nothing is more annoying than an SJW, Environmental nutjob. I didn't give two shits about her views, but what irked me was the fact that A. she was blaming the store for the movie, games covers with women on them and B. she was giving me shit over the damn bag, like I don't give a shit about your political views, you bought something expensive take the damn thing and go already.

I love what one of my co-workers said after she left, told me "if we had paper I would have told her, you know trees were killed making these right?" lol

Like this moron was giving me shit over the damn store policy so I was politely forcing her to take the bag that and she was ranting as if it was our fault for selling a movie, game etc with a women on the cover that she didn't morally approve of. That being said, no way anti-SJW's are worse than SJW's. I don't give a damn if it's in person, protest or internet.

I don't think NRS are SJW's, those people are crazy and delusional. I think NRS changed from more skimpy, liberally skin showing outfits to a more conservative yet attractive approach. I mean the MK chicks aren't dressed like nuns but it's pretty obvious they moved away from showing a lot more skin, clevage, legs etc.I do think they caved a bit with the outcry from SJW's via MK 9's outfits. Just take Skarlet for one, her MK 9 look to MK 11 or Mileena's MK 9 look to MK X's. Now, not saying "OMG I want boobs, legs etc" it's a video game, that's what porn and/or GF's, wives etc are for depending on your situation. However, if it were me I'd be like "yeah, pretty sure these games will sell regardless because of the general fanbase, gameplay, story etc not because a few female characters look like a stripper to some people.

I remember when WW came out, they had no issues with the whole "female power" element but bitched about "omg she's like a slut, hardly dressed why couldn't she be more tasteful"

Rest of the world: Uhh have you seen how she looks in the comics? Way to weed out the true fans from the posers.

Pretty much these guys tells it how it is as far as I'm concerned.

Props to Tekken creator who just said screw you, my game, swimsuits will be in my game if I want.

I remember this from last year, you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to kick a customer out of your store for Political reasons, I think she forgot the point of a business. To MAKE money, who cares which books your customers want, order it for them you make money end of story. Needless to say, her comic shop got closed down(wonder why)

 

[MKF30]

Your novel-length post complaining about SJWs would, I'd argue, provide evidence to the contrary lol

lol I knew someone would mention that, but that's how I speak about everything not just "SJW'S" lol I think you'd feel different if you read what I said lol. Seriously, I'm known for typing lengthy posts, doesn't matter the topic lol. I was explaining an incident I had with an SJW personally.

 

[ImperatrixSindel]

lol I knew someone would mention that, but that's how I speak about everything not just "SJW'S" lol I think you'd feel different if you read what I said lol. Seriously, I'm known for typing lengthy posts, doesn't matter the topic lol. I was explaining an incident I had with an SJW personally.

Yeah I actually deleted my comment before you replied bc I was being bitchy lol, no big