How are the villains "weak"?

[Arqwart]

But we do see the Kombat Kids lose. It just isn't in chapters were they are playable.

And therein lies the #1 problem: the chapter system. Power scaling just does NOT matter in MK because the chapter system for the story dictates that your current playable character must win, no matter the opponent. It cheapens everything by nature of making no one's power levels matter.

 

[Cicada 5]

He is canonically one of Shao's top generals and killed Goro. And yes "successor" in that clearly they were planning on having him take the throne, not literally as in Shao just appointed him.

Kotal didn't kill Goro. He ripped off his arms and needed a Kamidogu's power to do that.

And therein lies the #1 problem: the chapter system. Power scaling just does NOT matter in MK because the chapter system for the story dictates that your current playable character must win, no matter the opponent. It cheapens everything by nature of making no one's power levels matter.

Power levels never mattered in Mortal Kombat. Liu Kang, a man with no divine heritage or special destiny - the chosen one crap is only in adaptations, he was simply a very skilled Shaolin monk in the original games - has defeated Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn (twice) and Shinnok. And then he gets killed by Shang Tsung in Deadly Alliance. In Mythologies, Sub-Zero defeats five deities, including an Elder God.

The NRS games have their flaws, but sticking to a hierarchy that the original games never followed isn't one of them.

 

[LiuKangmain]

All these people saying that its impossible for Kitana to beat Shao Kahn have yet to actually provide a reason why other than "woman." Until I'm given an actual good reason, I'm going to assume these Kitana haters have 15 layers of Cheetos dust on their fingers and binge watch The Quartering.

Kitana is one of my favorite characters in MK. I just know what a power scale is. Kung Lao has a better chance beating Shao Kahn than Kitana. Raiden has a better chance beating Shao Kahn.

 

[LiuKangmain]

Kotal didn't kill Goro. He ripped off his arms and needed a Kamidogu's power to do that.



Power levels never mattered in Mortal Kombat. Liu Kang, a man with no divine heritage or special destiny - the chosen one crap is only in adaptations, he was simply a very skilled Shaolin monk in the original games - has defeated Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn (twice) and Shinnok. And then he gets killed by Shang Tsung in Deadly Alliance. In Mythologies, Sub-Zero defeats five deities, including an Elder God.

The NRS games have their flaws, but sticking to a hierarchy that the original games never followed isn't one of them.

He doesn't "get killed by Shang Tsung". Quan Chi gets a cheap shot and Shang Tsung takes the moment. He didn't stand a chance 1 on 1. They just needed to kill him off.

 

[Eddy Wang]

You mean the young woman who was a trained soldier? And Shinnok 's past losses include a Bruce Lee clone who shoots fireballs and an assassin who has ice powers and no divine heritage.

Shinnok has never been all that impressive.



I thought it was said he was immune to her time powers.

the writing of NRS is just shit.

 

[LiuKangmain]

You can clearly see Liu Kang defeated Kitana in MK9 in a fucking cutscene without doing anything. He gets very bruised by Shao Kahn when they fight. Lmao people really underestimate Shao Kahn.

 

[Cicada 5]

And therein lies the #1 problem: the chapter system. Power scaling just does NOT matter in MK because the chapter system for the story dictates that your current playable character must win, no matter the opponent. It cheapens everything by nature of making no one's power levels matter.

Power levels never mattered in Mortal Kombat. Liu Kang, a man with no divine heritage or special destiny - the chosen one crap is only in adaptations, he was simply a very skilled Shaolin monk in the original games - has defeated Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn (twice) and Shinnok. And then he gets killed by Shang Tsung in Deadly Alliance. In Mythologies, Sub-Zero defeats five deities, including an Elder God.

The NRS games have their flaws, but sticking to a hierarchy that the original games never followed isn't one of them.

He doesn't "get killed by Shang Tsung". Quan Chi gets a cheap shot and Shang Tsung takes the moment. He didn't stand a chance 1 on 1. They just needed to kill him off.

The two-time Earth champion of Mortal Kombat can't deal with a mere two opponents? Sounds like Liu Kang isn't all that impressive if all it takes to beat him is having more numbers.

 

[Cicada 5]

Kitana is one of my favorite characters in MK. I just know what a power scale is. Kung Lao has a better chance beating Shao Kahn than Kitana. Raiden has a better chance beating Shao Kahn.

Raiden needed the help of the Elder Gods to beat Kahn and Kung Lao got beat so badly by Kahn in the original games that everyone both in and out of universe thought he was dead.

 

[Cicada 5]

You can clearly see Liu Kang defeated Kitana in MK9 in a fucking cutscene without doing anything. He gets very bruised by Shao Kahn when they fight. Lmao people really underestimate Shao Kahn.

And in MK9 we see Kitana defeat Shang Tsung. No one's underestimating Shao Kahn because we think Kitana beating him makes sense. We just don't follow these arbitrary rules about power scaling that have never existed in the MK universe.

 

[LiuKangmain]

Power levels never mattered in Mortal Kombat. Liu Kang, a man with no divine heritage or special destiny - the chosen one crap is only in adaptations, he was simply a very skilled Shaolin monk in the original games - has defeated Shang Tsung, Shao Kahn (twice) and Shinnok. And then he gets killed by Shang Tsung in Deadly Alliance. In Mythologies, Sub-Zero defeats five deities, including an Elder God.

The NRS games have their flaws, but sticking to a hierarchy that the original games never followed isn't one of them.


The two-time Earth champion of Mortal Kombat can't deal with a mere two opponents? Sounds like Liu Kang isn't all that impressive if all it takes to beat him is having more numbers.

Liu Kang didn't even see Quan Chi

 

[LiuKangmain]

Raiden needed the help of the Elder Gods to beat Kahn and Kung Lao got beat so badly by Kahn in the original games that everyone both in and out of universe thought he was dead.

Yeah, they still have more chance than Kitana. It seems we're at an impass so let's agree to disagree

 

[Rude]

Kitana is one of my favorite characters in MK. I just know what a power scale is. Kung Lao has a better chance beating Shao Kahn than Kitana. Raiden has a better chance beating Shao Kahn.

That's a non-answer.

 

[Cicada 5]

Liu Kang didn't even see Quan Chi

Which shouldn't have mattered if he's as powerful as you insist he is. It's not like Quan Chi did anything particularly clever, he just shot Liu Kang with a Skull Fireball while the latter was beating up Shang Tsung.

 

[LiuKangmain]

Which shouldn't have mattered if he's as powerful as you insist he is. It's not like Quan Chi did anything particularly clever, he just shot Liu Kang with a Skull Fireball while the latter was beating up Shang Tsung.

From behind lol

 

[Afk Skinny]

I think the problem with Kitana was this was supposed to be the same one, who Liu was able to flirt fight with. She actively tried to kill him, and Liu saw it as a date. In the same game, Raiden had to be possessed by the elder gods to even touch Shao. Yeah Kitana beat Shang, but in the very next scene, she was handled and taken captive by 2 tarkatan grunts lower than Baraka. The scaling is just all over the place honestly

Oh and Khronika. Oh my goodness. Not so much as weak as it is incompetence. How do her and her enforcer have Lao, and Liu DEAD TO RIGHTS with time stop... and she just lets them go... why not just take them captive and have Rev. Liu do the soul suck sooner, he probably could've done it for Lao too. Controlling time is a busted ability and somehow Khronika couldn't manage shit with it. Not because she's weak, but just the incompetence

 

[Cicada 5]

From behind lol

So?

 

[LiuKangmain]

So?

Cheap shot, killed off for the plot.

 

[Black Chapters]

Raiden needed the help of the Elder Gods to beat Kahn and Kung Lao got beat so badly by Kahn in the original games that everyone both in and out of universe thought he was dead.

no he didn't

Raiden let him get to that point cause he wasn't allowed to fight him

 

[LiuKangmain]

no he didn't

Raiden let him get to that point cause he wasn't allowed to fight him

He was allowed,actually. It's not a tournament. Even with the Elder Gods help he was very much beaten.

 

[Black Chapters]

He was allowed,actually. It's not a tournament. Even with the Elder Gods help he was very much beaten.

No, he outright tells Liu Kang to let Kahn merge the realms and he lets Kahn beat him up after Liu dies

 

[Black Chapters]

http://imgur.com/YaojDHN

 

[Marlow]

This must be what comic book conventions are like.

 

[Marlow]

The only real way to settle this is for NRS to come out with trading cards, and then we see what the power levels are on the back of the card.

 

[LiuKangmain]

No, he outright tells Liu Kang to let Kahn merge the realms and he lets Kahn beat him up after Liu dies

Yeah but he can't do it himself. Otherwise the Elder Gods would have just told him to punish Kahn.

 

[zerosebaz]

Dominic actually clarified this. It's not correct, but something being said for the average player. People were regularly getting confused between Elder Gods and Gods, so in Mortal Kombat 11 they call Raiden and Fujin "demigods" to try and create more of a distinction. Raiden and Fujin are indeed gods, not demi-gods.

Wait, is this real? They really tried to make Raiden's and Fujin's role clearer, so to fix it they decided to call them a new tittle, and then backtracked and said they are not actually that tittle, making everything more confusing than it ever was? Not that I ever thought they were great writers, but dam, this is hilarious.