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Question - Assassin Giving Assassin a place in the game

Should Assassin Strike be an overhead

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 45.8%

  • No

    Votes: 26 54.2%
  • Total voters
    48
exflyingbooty

exflyingbooty

This dream has a sad ending
Aqueous_Echo said:
Kenshi? And before you say kenjutsu df1, remember mournful has OH air glaive which is 0 on block and launches and her very fast startup xray in all variations which we all know kitana doesn't suffer in the meter build dept.
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The only true mixup she has in in mournful is j.1 ex glaive/b+3 and get the idea that she is safe from air ex glaive just because she's 0 on block she still has to land but then again, we're not talking about mournful we're talking about assassin. Then again you're probably going to tell me float is a real mixup next.
 
Skedar70

Skedar70

Noob
I think assassin strike and parry are fine, but dont you guys think regular sharpen should be buffed a little so that we can actually use it in some sort of safe setup. Right now its just a huge risk going for sharpen which doesnt last much and if you don´t land a hit it goes to waste.
 
gam224

gam224

The world's least hype player
Skedar70 said:
I think assassin strike and parry are fine, but dont you guys think regular sharpen should be buffed a little so that we can actually use it in some sort of safe setup. Right now its just a huge risk going for sharpen which doesnt last much and if you don´t land a hit it goes to waste.
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If you land a fan lift you can sharpen and still get a meaty.
 
Aqueous_Echo

Aqueous_Echo

Noob
exflyingbooty said:
The only true mixup she has in in mournful is j.1 ex glaive/b+3 and get the idea that she is safe from air ex glaive just because she's 0 on block she still has to land but then again, we're not talking about mournful we're talking about assassin. Then again you're probably going to tell me float is a real mixup next.
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Well the original question posed by another user, not the OP, was why can't the character Kitana have a legit OH, not a specific variation.
 
exflyingbooty

exflyingbooty

This dream has a sad ending
Skedar70 said:
I think assassin strike and parry are fine, but dont you guys think regular sharpen should be buffed a little so that we can actually use it in some sort of safe setup. Right now its just a huge risk going for sharpen which doesnt last much and if you don´t land a hit it goes to waste.
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After a basic combo so if you get off b+3, fan lift, njp, f+43, 21 fan, jk fan you can do sharpen since air fan is like + a fucking lot but i do believe sharpen should be a bit faster so i don't have to use it like that or after ex fan.

Cameronwinss said:
Let's all listen to Trepound his Kitana is so good. LOL I couldn't type that with laughing my ass off.
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Don't be shady, be a lady.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Shirai Ryu Dog said:
Yeah but all those other characters need them, right...
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A. This is not how balancing works.

B. We need less 50/50s, not more.

Give Assassin a faster sharpen and increase the chip dmg on fans in sharpen. I'd rather they boost her zoning game then make her into the same 50/50 meta that everyone else has.
 
YoloRoll1stHit

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
Zoidberg747 said:
Give Assassin a faster sharpen and increase the chip dmg on fans in sharpen. I'd rather they boost her zoning game then make her into the same 50/50 meta that everyone else has.
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I feel like this game has more block pressure than comboable 50/50. I don't disagree with making F2 overhead during sharpen. If we look at Kitana again she does NOT have safe meterless comboable 50/50. Current her low option is either risky for meterless combo or using 1 bar for +1 on block launcher. And the sharpen now does 2% damage (0.5% block damage) extra for every hit using her fan (d1 does 4%). Increase chip damage might make it broken
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
YoloRoll1stHit said:
I feel like this game has more block pressure than comboable 50/50. I don't disagree with making F2 overhead during sharpen. If we look at Kitana again she does NOT have safe meterless comboable 50/50. Current her low option is either risky for meterless combo or using 1 bar for +1 on block launcher. And the sharpen now does 2% damage (0.5% block damage) extra for every hit using her fan (d1 does 4%). Increase chip damage might make it broken
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Liu Kang does like 4% chip with fireballs after shaolin flame. It would be really good but not broken.

Like I said I'd rather they buff her zoning because there is barely any zoners in the game.

But im biased so keep that in mind.
 
nathancorsini

nathancorsini

Noob
Zoidberg747 said:
Liu Kang does like 4% chip with fireballs after shaolin flame. It would be really good but not broken.

Like I said I'd rather they buff her zoning because there is barely any zoners in the game.

But im biased so keep that in mind.
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Not to mention his shaolin flame lasts like forever, and sharpen lasts nothing.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Shirai Ryu Dog said:
Then take away the overheads from every other character with good zoning too
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Once again, this is NOT how game balance works.

By this logic Tanya players should ask for a comboable overhead because other pressure characters like Shinnok have one. But that would make no sense because Tanya has things that other characters don't have.

Kitana is the same. She doesn't need an overhead because she has better air control than most characters and can punish jumping for more than any character in the game. In a meta that is so reliant on jumping that is huge. Not to mention the fact that she has some of the best zoning in the game.

I agree that Assassin needs buffs but only Assassin. Which is why I would like them to increase the zoning potential in Assassin to give it more of a specified use.
 
xKhaoTik

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
Zoidberg747 said:
Once again, this is NOT how game balance works.

By this logic Tanya players should ask for a comboable overhead because other pressure characters like Shinnok have one. But that would make no sense because Tanya has things that other characters don't have.

Kitana is the same. She doesn't need an overhead because she has better air control than most characters and can punish jumping for more than any character in the game. In a meta that is so reliant on jumping that is huge. Not to mention the fact that she has some of the best zoning in the game.

I agree that Assassin needs buffs but only Assassin. Which is why I would like them to increase the zoning potential in Assassin to give it more of a specified use.
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I agree with this post 100%, but at the same time, it would suck that her rushdown variation became a zoning one.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
xKhaoTik said:
I agree with this post 100%, but at the same time, it would suck that her rushdown variation became a zoning one.
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Thats fair.

I'll leave the Assassin mains to discuss what she actually needs, I just think whatever it is shouldn't affect the other two variations because those are fine.
 
xxFalcon Loverxx

xxFalcon Loverxx

Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget.
Skedar70 said:
She would have a low safe combo starter, an OH forward advancing safe combo starter, an armored launcher, iair fans that lead to combos and all for high damaging combos at least 30%. It would turn kitana into a combo festival, it would make it too easy for her to open people up for high damage.
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Are you .....I.....Why the.....Nobody in the actual fucking thread said Kitana sucks and needs f2 as an overhead.It was just a goddamn suggestion you nitwit.Damn did you even read any of what Shirai Ryu dog said or ANY of the kitana players actually said?Oh whats that? "no"? Well you can just gtfo this thread or start reading what the players actually said before responding....geez
 
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DDutchguy

DDutchguy

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xxFalcon Loverxx said:
Are you .....I.....Why the.....NOBODY IN THE ACTUAL FUCKING THREAD SAID KITANA SUCKS AND NEEDS F2 AS AN OVERHEAD!It was just a goddamn suggestion you nitwit.Damn did you even read any of what Shirai Ryu dog said or ANY of the kitana players actually said?Oh whats that? "no"? Well you can just gtfo this thread or start reading what the players actually said before responding....geez
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You okay man?
 
Skedar70

Skedar70

Noob
xxFalcon Loverxx said:
Are you .....I.....Why the.....NOBODY IN THE ACTUAL FUCKING THREAD SAID KITANA SUCKS AND NEEDS F2 AS AN OVERHEAD!It was just a goddamn suggestion you nitwit.Damn did you even read any of what Shirai Ryu dog said or ANY of the kitana players actually said?Oh whats that? "no"? Well you can just gtfo this thread or start reading what the players actually said before responding....geez
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Its a terrible suggestion that would make her broken. I was just explaining why. You need to chill bro. Read Zoidbergs747 post to learn how balancing works. Each character has their own dirt. Kitana has hers.
 
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