Discovery Full Stealth Nerfs/Buffs (Mostly Nerfs)

[Akromaniac27]

So for the sake of saving a crapton of new threads, because there will be as more labbing goes on, this thread is to list all, or as many stealth nerfs/buffs for every character.

Despite NRS having the direct access to check AND change frame data directly themselves, they somehow managed to omit numerous nerfs and buffs from the "official" patch notes. Just post any finds and/or request to have strings checked (I can check frame data frame by frame, which by the way, CUTE story, the "official" notes even got THOSE numbers wrong on some moves) and I will check it.

Feel free to tag anyone to add input. I don't use every character in the game, so I'm taking your (posters) word on any changes listed. If anything is off or simply just not right, it's not a problem to change it after. If I like the post, it means I either agree or that I read over your notes and added them to the OP.

Cassie Cage (Brawler):
Cassie Cage (Hollywood): Nutpunch pushes opponent further away on hit
Cassie Cage (Spec Ops):

D'Vorah (Brood Mother)
D'Vorah (Swarm Queen)
D'Vorah (Venomous)

Ermac (Spectral)
Ermac (Mystic)
Ermac (Master of Souls)

Erron Black

Ferra/Torr: Ferra Toss now +10 on block, up from +6
Ferra/Torr: Kaber Toss (F2) cancel advantage increased by roughly 4 frames
Ferra/Torr (Lackey): Boulder Roll spectrum (variable block stun) now -5 to +2 on block, up from -11 to -3

Goro: EX Stomp scales the same way OTG's do despite it not being a true OTG (could be tech rolled)

Jacqui Briggs

Jason

Jax

Johnny Cage

Kano: Horizontal hitbox of Jump In 4 has been shortened

Kenshi

Kitana: D3 is +10 on hit, down from +11
Kitana (Royal Storm): Can now reflect Kotal Kahn's Sword Throw

Kotal Kahn: B12 is -13 on block, down from -8

Kung Jin

Kung Lao (Hat Trick): If Hatarang is used, can no longer Hat trap before hat goes back to his head
Kung Lao (Hat Trick): If Hatarang connects fullscreen, can no longer connect Tele~2
Kung Lao (Hat Trick): Forward Low Hat Trap is now the same as Foward Hat Trap and Above Hat Trap
Kung Lao (Hat Trick): Away Low Hat Trap recovery is now the same as Foward Hat Trap, Above Hat Trap and Forward Hat Trap (can't combo with the hat behind him anymore)

Liu Kang (Dragon's Fire): All FBRC's delayed by 3 frames

Mileena: F44 is now -10(-9) on block, down from -9(-8) so 8f normals can now punish it; gap is still there
Mileena (Piercing): Cancel advantage on block from B12 has been reduced, thus no longer having a true blockstring of b12~telekick~Xray, as there is now a gap in between the B12 and telekick
Mileena (Piercing): B1 has less active frames
Mileena (Piercing): (2) from B12 is faster; not really sure why that is

Predator: B311 pushed opponent further away on hit

Quan Chi: Increased recovery on MB Rune and Trance

Raiden

Reptile

Scorpion

Shinnok

Sonya Blade (Special Forces): Increased time on Drone Call appearance

Sub-Zero

Takeda

Tanya: Delayed cancel advantage from 34, causing cancels into dust/flipkick/non EX fireball combos no longer doable
Tanya: Reduced Flip Kick damage
Tanya: Fully charged F3 has increased gravity on hit, making follow ups tighter and/or not possible
Tanya (Kobu Jutsu): There is now a gap from B12+4(*)Rekkas
Tanya (Dragon Naginata): Pogo Stance is more negative on block
Tanya (Dragon Naginata): EX Staff Swing 4, now has a gap

Tremor (Crystalline): EX Shatter now does 10%, down from 14%

 

[chrisisnice]

Tanya (general)
Takes longer to cancel from 34. It can no longer cancel to dust / flipkick / non ex fireball in combos.
Reduced flip kick damage

 

[Mighty Durpyena]

Tanya:
Damage has been nerfed
F3's gravity has been changed, opponent does not bounce as high when F3 is fully charged
Kobu Jutsu:
There's a gap in B12+4 into Rekkas
Rekkas do less chip
Dragon Naginata:
Pogo Stance is more negative on block
EX Staff Swing 4 has a gap in it now

There's probably more I'm missing, but that's what I remember lol

 

[EdenianWarrior]

Tanya:
Damage has been nerfed
F3's gravity has been changed, opponent does not bounce as high when F3 is fully charged
Kobu Jutsu:
There's a gap in B12+4 into Rekkas
Rekkas do less chip
Dragon Naginata:
Pogo Stance is more negative on block
EX Staff Swing 4 has a gap in it now

There's probably more I'm missing, but that's what I remember lol

Is the F3 gravity change a buff or a nerf?

 

[EdenianWarrior]

From now on, whenever they buff or nerf something they need to give a reason as to why they did what they did because this shit don't make no damn sense.

 

[Espio]

Goro: Didn't see this mentioned in the patch notes or on the stream so I guess this counts- He gets significant damage scaling on ending combos with telestomp even though it's not a guaranteed OTG like Tremor or his KW specific ground pound.

 

[Metzos]

Goro: Didn't see this mentioned in the patch notes or on the stream so I guess this counts- He gets significant damage scaling on ending combos with telestomp even though it's not a guaranteed OTG like Tremor or his KW specific ground pound.

Yeah, because NRS thought it was an unescapable setup, when its not. I seriously dont know what they were thinking, nerfing his Stomp setups.

 

[Crusty]

Tremor:
Corner combos involving EX rolling stone have increased damage scaling

 

[ExoticAbuse]

Man those Mileena stealth nerfs really bummed me out.

 

[Akromaniac27]

Goro: Didn't see this mentioned in the patch notes or on the stream so I guess this counts- He gets significant damage scaling on ending combos with telestomp even though it's not a guaranteed OTG like Tremor or his KW specific ground pound.

I added it in, but I think it's because if they don't tech it, it technically still will register as an OTG hit. I don't agree with him getting it nerfed, but I'm pretty sure that due to it behaving the same exact way, that's the reason why

 

[xKhaoTik]

B1 2+4 rekka having a gap isn't stealth. B1 2+4 being -10 was in the patch notes. So that means the cancel advantage went down as well since it's so negative

Cassie's Nutpunch knocks further away on hit

Kitana's d3 is +10 on hit now. Was +11. She can reflect Kotal's sword throw (RS).

 

[Crusty]

@Akromaniac27 , I meant to say combos involving Tremor's EX rolling stone will now scale more. It sounds like you said (or what I said rather), that they don't scale at all.

 

[Crusty]

Do you have an example? I didn't notice a difference on my reg combo with it.

I don't know any specifics but I am taking Shazzy's word for it. I rarely use the EX rolling stone so I really cannot help you there.

 

[ando1184]

Kano's horizontal hitbox on his jump 4 has been shortened

 

[Doombawkz]

Ferra/Torr

Ferra Toss (d.b.2, overhead) improved from +6 on block to +10
Boulder Roll (b.f.2, mid, Lackey only) spectrum improved from -11 -> -3 to -5 -> +2
Kaber Toss (f.2, low) cancel advantage increased on block by about 4 frames.

 

[21122]

did all these nerfsbuffs happen today?

 

[NSR]

Man, does NRS hate Tanya now or what?

 

[Crusty]

did all these nerfsbuffs happen today?

These are nerfs/buffs that weren't in the patch notes

 

[Generalbit]

Kotal B12 made -13 from -8. Could be incorrect frame data but the number was changed

 

[Generalbit]

And thank you for the thread. It will be good to get it all in one place

 

[EdenianWarrior]

Man, does NRS hate Tanya now or what?

Boon Loves her (as a character at least)

 

[Crusty]

IDK man I think Trem's EX bf4 is the same, I remembered getting 40% out of my usual and the ones on the combo thread still do the same damage.

@B. Shazzy Please clarify this

 

[Akromaniac27]

B1 2+4 rekka having a gap isn't stealth. B1 2+4 being -10 was in the patch notes. So that means the cancel advantage went down as well since it's so negative

Cassie's Nutpunch knocks further away on hit

Kitana's d3 is +10 on hit now. Was +11. She can reflect Kotal's sword throw (RS).

Added all that in, but kept Tanya's info too. Frames of advantage or disadvantage don't have a rule of thumb when it comes to cancel advantage. The string still could have stayed a true blockstring even if it was -50 on block lol

 

[Akromaniac27]

Ferra/Torr

Ferra Toss (d.b.2, overhead) improved from +6 on block to +10
Boulder Roll (b.f.2, mid, Lackey only) spectrum improved from -11 -> -3 to -5 -> +2
Kaber Toss (f.2, low) cancel advantage increased on block by about 4 frames.

I kept roughly the same wording you used. I'm assuming F/T players will understand the spectrum part XD

 

[Akromaniac27]

Feel free to tag anyone to add input. I don't use every character in the game, so I'm taking your (posters) word on any changes listed. If anything is off or simply just not right, it's not a problem to change it after. If I like the post, it means I either agree or that I read over your notes and added them to the OP.