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Death

Warrior
Regular roundhouse can get poked out or even AA D+1d but the armor version is safe and will blow up any armor attack. Unless i have an armored move and i could possibly beat outs Rain EX Super Roundhouse. I think hes okay but IMO a bottom 10 character. I think Rain was always around 15-16 but since the patch and with the universal dash nerf i think he dropped down at least 5 spots. Same with Sub-Zero. That character got a lot of nerfs. He was a top 4 character when the game came out and after all his nerfs and the dash nerf etc hes around 20th imo.
 

Quantus

Rain for MK12 Kombat Pack 3
Yea, you're right. We just tested it. Retard moment. Rain is still bad though.
I just do not agree with that. Rain has such good tools at his disposal. He has armor on nearly all of his EN moves (Maaaan, using that EXRH cancel to counter pressure and get 42% combo is a GDLK tool). With his RH cancel pressure he is one of the best character to build meter with. His damage potential is top tier (42% midscreen and 52% corner with no meter). Using the bubble as a reset guarantees pressure. His teleport may not be the best, but having it helps.

He's not the best, obviously, but saying he's not tourney viable is just silly. It seems like when CDjr "dropped" rain after the dash nerf people jumped on the "Rain is garbage now" bandwagon.


Regular roundhouse can get poked out.

Again, I don't think that is true. If I let the RH rip (as opposed to canceling it) it SHOULD stuff almost all pokes.

I could be wrong, of course, but I have yet to see someone poke out of my RH
 
1. Kabal
2. Mileena
3. Skarlet
4. Kitana
5. Smoke
6. Jax
7. Cyrax/Cyblax
8. Sonya
9. Raiden
10. Freddy
11. Kenshi
12. Cage
13. Quan Chi
14. Reptile
15. Kung Lao
16. Scorpion
17. Liu Kang
18. Sindel
19. Jade
20. Sektor
21. Ermac
22. Rain
23. Baraka
24. Sheeva
25. Shang Tsung
26. Noob Saibot
27. Kano
28. Stryker
29. Cyber Sub-Zero
30. Sub-Zero
31. Nightwolf

This list changes for me A LOT, so it was very hard to choose 15-26. Hell, the whole list was difficult.

Remember: Just because a character is bottom 5, doesn't mean they can't win! In my opinion, every character is tournament viable.
 

Flagg

Champion
Yeah, these things will start arguments.

Im astounded people still think Skarlet should be bottom of the pile. Im convinced that character in the fullness of time could be as good as Sonya, if not better.
 

Enenra

Go to hell.
I think Jade is 19th and Nightwolf is 31st because that's where I typed their names.
I really liked the way you explained your opinion. The riveting argument and discussion of Jade's superior tools and mobility, along with the new tech I hadn't heard about moving her into the top 20s was great. Better yet, you even explained how Nightwolf's kombos actually drained life from him and not his opponent. You really have changed my opinion of this game. You won't soon be forgotten in the MK kommunity.
 
I really liked the way you explained your opinion. The riveting argument and discussion of Jade's superior tools and mobility, along with the new tech I hadn't heard about moving her into the top 20s was great. Better yet, you even explained how Nightwolf's kombos actually drained life from him and not his opponent. You really have changed my opinion of this game. You won't soon be forgotten in the MK kommunity.

Someone has trouble noticing when others are trolling them I see.

I personally think that Jade is good. I also think that Nightwolf just... isn't good. I don't have to waste my time giving you a more detailed explanation because you obviously don't agree with me at all and anything I say I doubt will change that. Plus that would completely derail this thread and it would turn into a huge debate.

Here's a fantastic idea: Agree to disagree, then drop it and move on. That way we both don't have to waste time arguing! Just a thought. ;)
 

Enenra

Go to hell.
Someone has trouble noticing when others are trolling them I see.

I personally think that Jade is good. I also think that Nightwolf just... isn't good. I don't have to waste my time giving you a more detailed explanation because you obviously don't agree with me at all and anything I say I doubt will change that. Plus that would completely derail this thread and it would turn into a huge debate.

Here's a fantastic idea: Agree to disagree, then drop it and move on. That way we both don't have to waste time arguing! Just a thought. ;)
Ironic, the troll can't take being trolled, then accuses the troll of being trolled. Trollception.

Yes, agree to disagree so I can end this conversation.
 

Quantus

Rain for MK12 Kombat Pack 3
Wait... are we discouraging discussion?

Oh, right, how dare we probe each other's minds in an attempt to grow.
 

NogunYesknife

Kombatant
---- tournament viable ----
1. Sonya
2. Kabal
3. Smoke
4. Kitana
5. Jax
6. Raiden
7. Mileena
8. Freddy
9. Cyrax
10. Kung Lao
11. Reptile
12. Kenshi
13. Liu Kang
14. Johnny Cage
15. Shang Tsung
16. Scorpion
---- probably not tournament viable ----
17. Sub Zero
18. Quan Chi
19. Noob Saibot
20. Ermac
21. Skarlet
22. Sektor
---- not tournament viable ----
23. Sindel
24. Baraka
25. Nightwolf
26. CSZ
27. Rain
28. Kano
29. Sheeva
30. Stryker
31. Jade
Youre wrong when it comes to Quan,Rain, sindel, skarlet and sektor.
 
Ironic, the troll can't take being trolled, then accuses the troll of being trolled. Trollception.
I could say the exact same thing about you. You could have just ignored me to begin with. And I should have just ignored what you said and... god damn it.

But yes, this:
Yes, agree to disagree so I can end this conversation.

Wait... are we discouraging discussion?

Oh, right, how dare we probe each other's minds in an attempt to grow.
Civilized discussion in a tier list thread is borderline impossible.
 

SonicKaballs

Kaballin' since June 2011
OMG Kabal is not No. 1 holy crap. He has the worst damage output and can be outzoned and moved in on easily. Also has hard time in pressure and his NDCs are getting dated and easily baited. And why is Kitana so low shes top 5 indefinitely.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
... care to share any reasoning?

actually...

Disregard my previous comment, this thread is obviously trash
It is only trash when people make it trash.

Also for the record, that RM Kaballs guy says Kabal vs. Baraka is 5-5. Sorry, but I think you need to sharpen your skills a little.