They never said that thoughShe can option select teching a throw by going for a PARRY... inputting it db 1+3
Oh please I've seen you do slide d2 slide way too often for it be some kind of online issue. It's one of your legitimate 'set-ups' el oh elOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
You mean to say then when I do a slide, and decide to shortcut 2xxfreeze (because online) by pressing d,then 2xxslide and then dropping it, you assume it's a set up? Set up to what? OTG slide or something?LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Please guys, I drop combos. Am I not allowed?
I've started playing Injustice again, so why don't we stop with the charades and actually play matches. Don't worry I'll go easy on you as per request. I'll even let you pick the stage since I'm such a nice guy...
Thought I was on the butt end of a joke or something for a minute there....geez Louise!
.......................seen me where?They never said that though
Oh please I've seen you do slide d2 slide way too often for it be some kind of online issue. It's one of your legitimate 'set-ups' el oh el
Oh my godFrost will Ne'er-do-well.
45 seconds in. Can't be asked to search for anymore.......................seen me where?
Yeah exactly that wasn't a set up. Didn't expect the slide to hit, and tried to read a jump from Pryce to d2 him, since I knew he wouldn't fall for parry. Obviously wasn't ready for the slide hitting. Haven't watched the whole thing yet but I could have sworn he jumps a bunch of my post slide parries, does he not?45 seconds in. Can't be asked to search for anymore
youre getting catty. me likeyYeah exactly that wasn't a set up. Didn't expect the slide to hit, and tried to read a jump from Pryce to d2 him, since I knew he wouldn't fall for parry. Obviously wasn't ready for the slide hitting. Haven't watched the whole thing yet but I could have sworn he jumps a bunch of my post slide parries, does he not?
Jesus Christ you guys think that's a set up? Sometimes I mess up. I'm flattered you think otherwise.
It's like a tournament commentator who isn't learned about Injustice:
Commentator 1: Ooh dropped the combo
Commentator 2: I think it might have been a set up
*both players are full screen*
Me: *facepalm*
I never bothered watching all of it, I saw slide d2 slide 14% dash-in ice parry and turned it offYeah exactly that wasn't a set up. Didn't expect the slide to hit, and tried to read a jump from Pryce to d2 him, since I knew he wouldn't fall for parry. Obviously wasn't ready for the slide hitting. Haven't watched the whole thing yet but I could have sworn he jumps a bunch of my post slide parries, does he not?
People sell you as the perfect prototype for Frost players, so input errors aren't even factored in.Yeah exactly that wasn't a set up. Didn't expect the slide to hit, and tried to read a jump from Pryce to d2 him, since I knew he wouldn't fall for parry. Obviously wasn't ready for the slide hitting. Haven't watched the whole thing yet but I could have sworn he jumps a bunch of my post slide parries, does he not?
Jesus Christ you guys think that's a set up? Sometimes I mess up. I'm flattered you think otherwise.*
this whole part makes no sense to me. the only way to make this inescapable and have the ability to hit both sides that I've found is to use j3. j2 doesn't hit or it crosses up. the j1 crosses up and i've never had either of them hit in front. i've tried uf/bxxairdash too but that doesn't seem too good.A better way to vortex?
The last thing I want to touch on here is our bread and butter: the mb.Flash Freeze restand vortex. The typical way to go about this is to end a combo in mb.freeze, j2, 2, and then go for a guaranteed 50/50 between f3 or b1.
It's great. I love this vortex, but I think we can improve it.
I was never happy with spending a meter and having a 50% chance of it going to waste. No matter how you cut it, a failed 50/50 equaled negative frames. Meaning some matches I struggle the whole time at a health deficit praying for a hit, and when that hit finally came, my only chance at a comeback was a Hail Mary 50/50, and when my opponent blocked it..... ;_;
But that's not our only option. We do have an ambiguous cross-up 50/50, that when blocked means we still have options. Hope is not lost.
There are two different ways to go about this. The prototype and the final form.
The prototype:
mb.freeze, jump back, forward air dash into j1/2/3
Depending on how the forward dash is timed, this equaled an ambiguous 50/50 into plus frames on block. And there are options off of this... but I never felt this was very good. This 50/50 always felt gimmicky, and the options when blocked always felt limp-wristed and finicky.
The final form:
mb.freeze, instant air dash forward, j1/2/3
It's so beautiful. When performed properly (there's a lot of variance depending on how you perform you instant air dash) the forward air dash leaves you standing at the perfect location to set-up an inescapable cross-up situation that is imperceptibly ambiguous.
Depending on what attack your using, j1, j2 or j3, and depending on when you use it, you can control where it hits. I wish I had this recorded to show you guys.
If the opponent guesses right, the j1/j2 options jail your opponent on block into one of her plus frame strings (f113 or 111~tc~dash forward = +4 frames) or a hitconfirmable 3 (which means +15 frame on block: e.g. another 50/50 between slide or f3... or a full combo on hit).
Long story short, with a little bit of execution, we can eliminate the one downside to the vortex: now instead of "guess wrong? lose momentum" we can "guess wrong? frame trap/mix-up."
I just uploaded a video demonstration. It's added to the bottom of the OP.this whole part makes no sense to me. the only way to make this inescapable and have the ability to hit both sides that I've found is to use j3. j2 doesn't hit or it crosses up. the j1 crosses up and i've never had either of them hit in front. i've tried uf/bxxairdash too but that doesn't seem too good.
I've tried different timings on the airdash and buttons but no luck with these setups for me. would really appreciate a video showing that every option can hit either side and cannot be dashed out of or an explanation as to what I'm missing here.
Try this option select out for stopping advancement:lately ive been using 2,2 or 2,2,slide max distance kind of like Subzero 2,2 or 2.24 because of range and how the 2nd hit might catch a advancing opponent so far ive been establishing a better game with Frost spacing and making ppl respect my spacingeven more out side of slide and f3.
for sure - I'll be on from 8-11 est tonight. Hit me up.You down for some more mirrors tonight?
When Frost players stop doing Slide-D2-Slide, maybe I can take them seriously once again.
dude,you used to do that to me aswell.im not even joking
I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps if you stop hiding we can play sometime
Slide d2 slide?LOL
*watches video* ......45 seconds in. Can't be asked to search for anymore
.......I have no idea what you're talking about. Slide d2 slide?LOL
I have faint memories of Killer Frost.