Guide - Hellfire Fireball Cancel Frame-Data

[HeroesNZ]

Thought it would be good to compile a list of frame-data for the useful Fireball Cancels on block (no point in posting ones that are like -15).

Note that these are rough estimates based on tests so if anyone has any corrections, feel free to post them & I'll update the OP.

214 Run Cancel - +22
21 Run Cancel - +6
B1 Run Cancel - +4/+27 on hit
B12 Run Cancel - +4
114 Run Cancel - +2
123 Run Cancel - +8
B3 Run Cancel - +2
F3 Run Cancel - +8
3 Run Cancel - +8
@SZSR (Or any mod) - Can you sticky this?

@Slips
@Scoot Magee
@JTB123
@MITDJT
@Vagrant
@Eddy Wang
@STRYKIE
@Every Hellfire player

EDIT - Current final patch frame-data, courtesy of @STRYKIE:
"The numbers in the final patch (from normals/strings you would want to FBRC from) are as follows:
21: +4
214: +22
123: +7
B1: +4
B12: +4
B3: +2
4: +16
3: +6
F3: +7
F4: -5"

 

[Braindead]

Doesn't matter. I can punish all of these meterless if I just wait beside an interactable.

Let it rock bruh.

 

[Vagrant]

Hey good stuff.

Short and to the point.

After you verify the accuracy someone should sticky this for other people wanting to learn about his FBRC advantage.

 

[Crimson Panther]

Nice. Thanks.

 

[The_Tile]

@HeroesNZ This is actually really useful, been waiting to see some threads with fireball cancel advantage with all characters that can do it tbh. Much appreciated my good sir!

 

[Eddy Wang]

scorpion dash are 15 frames or 20?

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

Isn't standing 2 a high? Before I would just neutral duck it and make it whiff.

 

[Crimson Panther]

Also need his dash cancel data for the sake of mixing it up between dash and run cancels since you can only do one run cancel with full stamina.

Edit: meaning a full run cancel with a poke/special to actually cancel the run.

 

[Peckapowa]

+5 on the dash cancel strong stuff.


High tech jaqcui has some crazy adv. on her run cancels too

 

[JTB123]

Isn't standing 2 a high? Before I would just neutral duck it and make it whiff.

Scorpion is most likely going to do these after a teleport on hit... so good luck ducking

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Doesn't matter. I can punish all of these meterless if I just wait beside an interactable.

Let it rock bruh.

This post is off-topic and is just salt-induced.

@HeroesNZ how was this tested? and are these frames for hit or block?

 

[HeroesNZ]

This post is off-topic and is just salt-induced.

@HeroesNZ how was this tested? and are these frames for hit or block?

Says block in the OP.

Do the Fireball Cancel against Lao/Cassie/anyone with a fast reversal on block and try and poke after.

For example, B3 Run Cancel 2 roughly traded with/beat out Lao's 7f spin. Standing 2 is 10f so 10 - 7 = roughly +3 on block.

 

[Scott The Scot]

Isn't standing 2 a high? Before I would just neutral duck it and make it whiff.

I thought the same thing and I had this discussion with, I think Shadowebb or SZSR (a moderator) and he claims that because it's a blockstring you can't duck it.

 

[STRYKIE]

can we also get some frame data for what they are on hit? Just in case we read someone trying to take the hit or whatever for a knockdown away and want to keep them in check with another FBC string.

 

[HeroesNZ]

You make Hellfire Scorp thread and no tag me?

Anyway, can we also get some frame data for what they are on hit? Just in case we read someone trying to take the hit or whatever for a knockdown away and want to keep them in check with another FBC string.

*Ninja edit*
What are you talking about?

 

[STRYKIE]

*Ninja edit*
What are you talking about?

You tell me, I never asked you to edit anything

 

[Shadow985]

Good shit dude. I was wondering how plus I was after certain strings. Never thought to actually test it. I just d3/grabbed after pressure to bait reversals because it worked.

Does anyone know if the Ps4 uploads to YouTube in 60 fps? If it does, whenever I get enough free time, I might record myself doing FBCs and take the footage into Sony Vegas to try and get as close to accurate frame data as I can.

Still waiting for the day I get tagged in a hellfire thread tho lol.

 

[Triplswing]

Also need his dash cancel data for the sake of mixing it up between dash and run cancels since you can only do one run cancel with full stamina.

Edit: meaning a full run cancel with a poke/special to actually cancel the run.

You can do 2 run cancels in a blockstring, but only 1 in a combo.

This is my first post BTW hi guys.

 

[3PiecesOfBread]

You can do 2 run cancels in a blockstring, but only 1 in a combo.

This also has nothing to do with stamina. Even with infinite stamina in the lab, you can still only run cancel once in a combo.

Wish I realized that before I spen1 an hour or 2 wondering wtf was wrong with me.

 

[Gixxerkid66]

ive been doing 21 run cancel this whole time and its near impossible for me online...and i should have been doing 214...thank you my friend

 

[Glass Sword]

Thanks @HeroesNZ this was just the data I was looking for.

 

[SZSR]

I thought the same thing and I had this discussion with, I think Shadowebb or SZSR (a moderator) and he claims that because it's a blockstring you can't duck it.

Don't think that was me, I know nothing about Scorpion.

@HeroesNZ I stickied it for you.

 

[Scott The Scot]

Don't think that was me, I know nothing about Scorpion.

@HeroesNZ I stickied it for you.

Okay doke! Thanks!

 

[Triplswing]

Hey guys, if you FBRC from d4 on hit, both f4 and b3 will frametrap, giving you a true 50/50. I thought this was pretty cool because d4 is an 8 frame low which which is very safe as well. I was able to have it blocked, do the cancel and block Reptile's 6f EX slide.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Hey guys, if you FBRC from d4 on hit, both f4 and b3 will frametrap, giving you a true 50/50. I thought this was pretty cool because d4 is an 8 frame low which which is very safe as well. I was able to have it blocked, do the cancel and block Reptile's 6f EX slide.

His overhead that leads to a combo is reactable scorpion doesn't have true 50/50 IMO the only conditioning you get is F2 which only grants a knockdown and those are close to unreactable, which helps to condinion for the low.

In any matter the princpile of fighting scorpion still stands, if he delays a frame trap you can just backdash.