What are you smoking? Bo has a no hurtbox weapon and can poke right through the Klone and punishes B2 clean. They both have an incredibly hard time escaping each other's setplay and the neutral isn't too slanted in anyone's favor. If you'd take Jax over Bo vs Sub be my guest, the more the merrier.
My point was that Reptile does not have polarizing MUs between his variations like many characters do and tier lists are based on MU numbers. If Noxious goes 5-5, then so will the other 2 aside from maybe 3-4 exceptions. Reptile loses when a character can outplay his CORE, not his variation. So a bad MU for, say, Deceptive, is a bad MU for him all around. Piercing and GM for example.
Would you think all of Reptile's variations would be A or A+?
Crazy offense doesn't make his weakness less exploitable, I pointed out that by your definition S tier has small weakness, not having a wake up is huge against some of Quan's match ups where he just gets smothered. Therefore he is A+ at the highest by your own definition of tiers.
I just explained why Quan Chi was an exception to my definition, but I still have an open mind. What matchups does Quan Chi get smothered in?
@Nausea can you please let this man know how great Spectral is
This is my main. Maybe you've already moved him since this post but I think A is pretty fair for Necro Shinnok right now. In his worst matchups, he's variationless Shinnok which is probably the best base skill set in the game and his meterless/1 meter damage is respectable. If you want to get riskier with the reads he can pay off in dividends with MB skele-grab into run combo netting over 20% (have played in a bit so the numbers aren't clear in my head) from as far as fullscreen. His keep away is lackluster but you can tax people for being hyper aggressive with his zoning and I think his only truly horrendous matchups are against other heavy zoning characters like Summoner Quan and Pyromancer Tanya. His gimmicks are indeed gimmicks but he shows up so rarely that you can catch legitimate people with shit like run-canceling fake outs with the unblockable and flicking/skele-grabbing a bit closer than is reasonably safe. His biggest sin that people rail on him for is that he isn't Imposter and it's a fairly true statement to say that most matchups that Necro wins, Imposter wins as well and Imposter has an easier time in some of Necro's worst matchups. Doesn't make him not a strong character though.
Already played a good Spectral, no comparision to Mystic so you can stop.
Truth. It's one of the many things I love about him. I can choose what I want use according to your character and how you play them. Loads of versatility because as stated, it's extremely rare that you'll be putting yourself at a disadvantage for wanting to use Noxious or Deceptive. Summoner, Hollywood, and maybe Sektor are MUs that I believe Nimble has a slight edge over the other two.
If I'm being honest, I think he's solid A+ all around. But I can see why people would tend to give Nimble some leadway as the damage and corner carry are hot commodities. Execution is it's only barrier.
Mostly against characters that have strong pressure and Oki game like demo Sonya, if it is combined with inability to zone the opponent out it is even worse like against Sektor,
Mystic has safe armor that pushes full screen
I'm aware of that but what I'm trying to say is where Mystic is a defensive powerhouse, Spectral is equally as strong offensively so they should be placed similarly
Lmao you mean float which has gaps and mixups which lead to low plus frames on hit if you don't block high?
Ok I agree, Sorcerer is a cut above Summoner.
I like your logic, they're too similar to be on different tiers, even if Nimble has a slight edge.
5-5. You are having a laugh.
Sub-Zero doesn't beat BRC 7-3 or 8-2 is all I'm saying. I'm even open to Sub winning but Grandmaster vs Bartitsu isn't really that terrible.
agree to disagree
Ok fair enough
I believe the worst matchup in the game is definitely crystalline tremor vs unbreakable sub zero. Idk about 10-0 but it's pretty close maybe 9-1 or atleast 8-2 for crystalline.You can literally full combo punish every hit unbreakable gets on you and you still get a full combo punish after every time you block and have armor on. Basically anything you do it is guareenteed to be punished. overall it's just a really hard game for unbreakable and if the tremor know this, basically unwinnable
"major-winner-level knowledge of every single variation in the game" actually means not knowing some variations in the game at all, since a few of the people who have won majors actually didn't know how certain variations worked until recently. So if you're implying that major winners know every variation in the game at even a decent level you must not know how much they actually know lol
Bartitsu beats Gm imo. Atleast I thought so when I played this game.