I get it. But still skill set matters. I was watching war of the gods and I realized that current, it's the best tournament gameplay gameplay wise, execution wise, etc etv that is currently hosted anywhere, but u don't see those characters that are actually winning in war of the gods in actual majors. Care to tell me why?
What characters are you referring to, and how does that relate to the topic of our disagreement? I’d argue that this weekend’s EVO too 8 was the highest level gameplay to date at any event for Injustice 2, or very close.
And again, skills of the player(s) is the single most important factor in a given match, hands down. I would never argue otherwise, and I don’t think many would.
The whole concept of tier lists and good characters and bad characters is built around the idea of match ups with the rest of the cast. So, good and bad is completely relative to the other characters in the game, and it’s determined by how many winning, even, and losing matchups the character has against the cast.
These matchup numbers are determined by assuming that each character is played at the very highest level, so these tier lists exist outside of considering individual player skill. You can think of it as cloning Sonic Fox and having him play himself with 2 differenr characters and averaging out the probability of which character wins how many games in a long set.
So for the majority of casual, mid and let’s say low level competitive players, tier lists just aren’t all that important because the players aren’t playing optimally, haven’t grinded/learned matchups, and don’t know how to best approach matchups.
The conversation only applies to players at the highest level, playing optimally. With that understanding, and talking about that level of player here, there’s absolutely good and bad characters, it’s undeniable. You can even have a bad character who happens to have a favorable matchup against a top tier character and so that bad character has utility as a counter pick. Doesn’t mean that that bad character doesn’t lose most other matchups in the game though, so overall, the character is bad.
I guess I don’t get at all what you’re arguing exactly. Like, the characters have so many differences between them be it walk/dash speed, frame data, overhead and lows, command grabs, range of normals, effective ranges, damage potential, meterbuild and meter dependence, traits, etc. that it’s only natural that some characters simply have better tools leading to more favorable matchups.
Take prepatch Alien and compare him to....I don’t know....master of storms Raiden. Is it not obvious that Alien was a much much better character?
