General/Other - Erron Black Erron Black General Discussion Thread

[Thanilla Ice]

Since a lot of people are now letting go of block or buffering armour against 21122 do you guys think its a good idea to add ex-sand into the mix up. So at the sand trap cancel points you add ex-sand into it?

Too risky, spending a bar of meter and if they block it you're -20, also their armor will beat yours, idk about the 6 frame reversals, you would have to test that I'm at work rn

 

[Thanilla Ice]

@fiend busa Marksman can bait the armor for trigger happy people. I never added that to my arsenal but it works

 

[21122]

Anyone else feel the gunslinger buff has died down? Seems like people just went back to outlaw/marksman.

 

[Paul the Octopus]

Since a lot of people are now letting go of block or buffering armour against 21122 do you guys think its a good idea to add ex-sand into the mix up. So at the sand trap cancel points you add ex-sand into it?

I know if you OS armor against 21122 before the last 2 the armor will come out if erron cancels into something before the last 2, but block if he does the 21122 ex-sand grenade block string.

However, how does the letting go of block defense work? Wouldn't you get hit by the grenade?

 

[21122]

I know if you OS armor against 21122 before the last 2 the armor will come out if erron cancels into something before the last 2, but block if he does the 21122 ex-sand grenade block string.

However, how does the letting go of block defense work? Wouldn't you get hit by the grenade?

Letting go of block defense is for sand trap, after each hit you let go of block and repush it so at any cancel point the sand trap will whiff D:, you will get hit by the grenade though.

 

[EMPR_FEAR]

Guys i made this video, this can be useful with gunslinger! I hope u like it... Take care everyone

 

[21122]

Been known since the gunslinger buff. Awesome video.

 

[CabooseLeGoose]

Other than tick throwing due to the better cancel advantage on D3, is there ever need to use it outside of this instead of using D4?

 

[DownfouralitY]

Other than tick throwing due to the better cancel advantage on D3, is there ever need to use it outside of this instead of using D4?

Nope

 

[CabooseLeGoose]

Nope

Thanks!

 

[21122]

New Erron costume looks sick but he looks bald in it!

 

[spliti]

Just started playing Erron and he is incredible. So much fun.

So, I'm having a problem landing his command grab after 21122 in a juggle. Does it buffer? Do I have to time the input correctly. Teach me please.

 

[lionheart21]

Just started playing Erron and he is incredible. So much fun.

So, I'm having a problem landing his command grab after 21122 in a juggle. Does it buffer? Do I have to time the input correctly. Teach me please.

The command grab will buffer at 211, 2112, and 21122.

Personally, I don't try going for the full string unless I have the opponent in the corner, since I don't wanna take the risk of whiffing due to online lag.

 

[spliti]

Alright cool. It just doesn't come out for me. Gonna lab this out. Thanks.

 

[21122]

Alright cool. It just doesn't come out for me. Gonna lab this out. Thanks.

Try doing FBDF instead of DBF. Idk what it is but it works. It also prevents tark. stab from coming out by mistake.

Command grab also work at 21.

For 21122 into command grab I input the string at the first 2 then just mash triangle a good 2-3 times lol. Maybe that will help you as well!

 

[21122]

With all these command grab buffs. Erron sand trap better be plus again and connect on hit

 

[spliti]

I'll try that too. That input is definitely awkward.

Thank you.

 

[21122]

Alright so I was randomly labbing and found out 4 jails into (gunslinger) stance 2, 3 and semi 4 (I tested on sub icey slide and his armour comes out after the first hit of stance 4 so it could work against reversal that don't advance?). Am I the only one who just found out about this?

I was a little excited until I learned 4 is a high and 16 start up frame, though, against sub zero icey slide reversal, jump in 2 into 4 is guaranteed. Do you guys think this is just a gimmick move or could it be useful. Maybe in the corner on oki?

@xGunShow
@Farmer
@SonicFox5000
@Thanilla Ice
@DownfouralitY
@wsj515
@Sage Leviathan
@HeroesNZ
@Everyone else

 

[joeldm]

Alright so I was randomly labbing and found out 4 jails into stance 2, 3 and semi 4 (I tested on sub icey slide and his armour comes out after the first hit of stance 4 so it could work against reversal that don't advance?). Am I the only one who just found out about this?

I was a little excited until I learned 4 is a high and 16 start up frame, though, against sub zero icey slide reversal, jump in 2 into 4 is guaranteed. Do you guys think this is just a gimmick move or could it be useful. Maybe in the corner on oki?

@xGunShow
@Farmer
@SonicFox5000
@Thanilla Ice
@DownfouralitY
@wsj515
@Sage Leviathan
@HeroesNZ
@Everyone else

No, but you were the first who said that.

It is the same with Marksman 4 db2 and Outlaw 4 df2 but Outlaw can be punished.

 

[Thanilla Ice]

In Marksman, i know 4 run cancelled into 21122 doesn't jail but I want to say it beats the fastest reversals

 

[Kickbykick]

In Marksman, i know 4 run cancelled into 21122 doesn't jail but I want to say it beats the fastest reversals

You never told me -_-

 

[ienjoywinning]

In Marksman, i know 4 run cancelled into 21122 doesn't jail but I want to say it beats the fastest reversals

4 gc is +2 so a better option is a d1 which will beat every move except 6f d1s ( it will trade) and obviously armor

 

[Thanilla Ice]

4 gc is +2 so a better option is a d1 which will beat every move except 6f d1s ( it will trade) and obviously armor

thanks dog

You never told me -_-

i dont have to tell u shit, u dont play marksman

 

[The Farmer]

Alright so I was randomly labbing and found out 4 jails into (gunslinger) stance 2, 3 and semi 4 (I tested on sub icey slide and his armour comes out after the first hit of stance 4 so it could work against reversal that don't advance?). Am I the only one who just found out about this?

I was a little excited until I learned 4 is a high and 16 start up frame, though, against sub zero icey slide reversal, jump in 2 into 4 is guaranteed. Do you guys think this is just a gimmick move or could it be useful. Maybe in the corner on oki?

@xGunShow
@Farmer
@SonicFox5000
@Thanilla Ice
@DownfouralitY
@wsj515
@Sage Leviathan
@HeroesNZ
@Everyone else

I've never really tried using standing 4 at all other then in the corner for combos. Mid screen i usually just check people and use f3 because of the range and the better startup frames. Ive seen people use it as a curveball per se, like standing four into sos1 into continued pressure after you'e conditioned your opponent.

 

[Kickbykick]

but i do