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Shark Tank

Shark Tank

I don't actually play these games
Ninja---->Mummy---->Wizard



Discuss

Disclaimer: The following information may be inaccurate, speculative(with some basis) or subject to change. Plz no blowups if I got something wrong. Just tag me and I'll change it. As more information becomes apparent or clear, this thread will be updated.

VARIATIONS

Master of Souls
  • Has three spinning green orbs around him.
  • Grants Soul Ball Special move
  • Souls appear to recharge over time. Souls get used when soul ball is used.
  • Gains Disappear
Mystic
  • Hands glow green
  • Gains enhanced telekinetic moves
  • Gains telekinetic push
  • Alters Telekinetic slam(levitates them)
Spectral
  • Glowing green gem in chest
  • Loses Hover
  • Gains Soul Accession
Special Moves

Soul Burst
  • :d:l:bp
  • New version of his force push from MK9, short range blast in front of him.
  • Can be angled upward
  • Ex Version knocks back further.
  • Can be done in air
  • Ex air version ground bounces
Force Lift
  • :d:l:fp
  • NO LONGER GRANTS COMBO ON HIT FOR REGULAR VERSION(except in mystic, see Mystic.)
  • Ex Version does juggle
  • Ex version has armor
Hover
  • :d:d:u
  • Similar to MK9's version
  • Has a ground slam, unblockable, hits all screen. Need to be airborne to avoid. Moves him forward slightly
  • Can use a teleport drop kick during levitate
  • No available in spectral
Force Port
  • :d:l:bk
  • Horizontal screen teleport
  • Can be done airborne
  • Now knocks down on hit. Can be juggled after(using d1)
  • EX version has armor/invincibility on start up? Does multiple pew pew punches.
  • EX air version add an extra hit.
Soul Ball(Master of Souls)
  • :l:r:bp
  • Projectile move
  • When use with three souls, it will stun the opponent
  • When not three souls, just regular projectile
  • Can also "explode" the projectile to launch(when opponent is stunned).
  • Can be performed in the air
Disappear(aka wowwow)(Master of Souls)
  • :d:l:fk
  • Goes into a state of invulnerability/invisibility.
  • Cannot move
  • Can do moves out of it.
  • Only last a short while.
  • Move has a recovery timer
  • Can be done in air
Force Lift(Mystic)
  • :d:l:fp
  • On hit, now levitates the opponent upside down for #freecombos
  • EX version unknown
Telekinetic Push(Mystic)
  • :d:l:bp?
  • Reminiscent of the MK9 Telekinetic Push
  • On hit will grab opponents and knocks the full screen
  • L̶o̶n̶g̶e̶r̶ ̶r̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶u̶n̶a̶l̶t̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶T̶e̶l̶e̶k̶i̶n̶e̶t̶i̶c̶ ̶F̶o̶r̶c̶e̶*[1]
  • Ex Version burns meter
Soul Accession(Spectral)
  • :d:d:u
  • Can do attacks and special moves using Soul Accession
  • Can activate Soul Accession airborne or grounded
  • Does have it's own unique special moves
  • You can start combos using Soul Accession normals->teleport(even if opponent is grounded on hit)
  • Can use intractables during Soul Accession
  • Cannot block during Soul Accession
  • Has a time limit
  • Ex Version Unknown
  • Has a superman like horizontal attack during Soul Accession. Grab?
Strings/Normals
  • D4 is an upward kick
  • B2 unblockable string looks to be back. Or variation of it.
  • Has a low kick starter.
  • Possibly has an overhead starter


Gifs






Story stuff
  1. Ermac is still serving Shao Khan after death
  2. Has made some pact with Kotal(and apparently ended up breaking it...if all intro talks relate somehow to the story, they may not).
  3. Shao Kahn's soul may still be in Ermac whom is still controlling him.
  4. Who needs a heart with you can slam nyughhus down with your mind?
Move Lists

Videos
REVEAL

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  1. It is unknown at this time if mystic replaces soul burst with tk push.
 
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NKZero

NKZero

Warrior
I don't mind the change in appearance....gives him some individuality.

But that being said the design could have been perfected slightly more. His face seems a little funny to me and all too revealing....kinda destroys some of that mysteriousness.

I like his variations though. His fatalities were awesome (think we peeped 2). Overall a pretty damn good reveal.
 
Shark Tank

Shark Tank

I don't actually play these games
I'll update the OP with his info, give me a minute(or 10)

By the way give me some idea for a catchy thread title I thought of this in like 4 seconds.

THIS THREAD IS A DEMOCRACY. WE ARE ALL THE SOULS IN ERMAC.

Oh did somebody already make an ermac GD? I didn't see it when I went to the Ermac forum. It's locked?
 
zaf

zaf

professor
Shark Tank said:
I'll update the OP with his info, give me a minute(or 10)
By the way give me some idea for a catchy thread title I thought of this in like 4 seconds.
THIS THREAD IS A DEMOCRACY. WE ARE ALL THE SOULS IN ERMAC.
Oh did somebody already make an ermac GD? I didn't see it when I went to the Ermac forum. It's locked?
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Was about to make one but I guess I was too slow.
 
Error

Error

DF2+R2
Shark Tank said:
I'll update the OP with his info, give me a minute(or 10)

By the way give me some idea for a catchy thread title I thought of this in like 4 seconds.

THIS THREAD IS A DEMOCRACY. WE ARE ALL THE SOULS IN ERMAC.

Oh did somebody already make an ermac GD? I didn't see it when I went to the Ermac forum. It's locked?
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"Come feel his presence" is all I got so far from his quotes.
 
Shark Tank

Shark Tank

I don't actually play these games
Must...make....nice...color coding

If something happened on the stream that you noticed and I miss please point it out(ex Something relevant to a special move property)
 
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MKF30

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Ermac looks epic. I don't believe he's evil btw, just personal note. He may have Kahn's soul but pretty sure he said "We oppose the Emperor" and still has King Jerrod's soul, perhaps someone will free him at some point.
 
Kindred

Kindred

Let Be Be Finale Of Seem
The Ground slam seems to have a much faster recovery time than its MK9 cousin, which is great.
And is it just me or does he look a lot more viable in pressuring than he did in MK9 :D
 
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Eldriken

Guest
It looks like his orbs in Master of Souls seem to regenerate on their own over time. You could tell when he's just standing there while they're talking after having used one that it comes back without him doing anything.
 
Shark Tank

Shark Tank

I don't actually play these games
Eldriken said:
It looks like his orbs in Master of Souls seem to regenerate on their own over time. You could tell when he's just standing there while they're talking after having used one that it comes back without him doing anything.
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I think your right. It recharges pretty fast. When he used soul ball it used all the souls but one soul came back in like a second. I didn't catch it at first.
 
Awsumpossm

Awsumpossm

Apprentice
Shark Tank, you might want to make a slight edit on his "hover" (Actual name is Spectral)) variation. It is in fact known that he has at least one unique special move available while hovering, Paulo performed it just once and right after mentioning that hovering would bring unique moves. Ermac flies forward through the air quickly, possibly a sort of air grab like Zod's.
 
Shark Tank

Shark Tank

I don't actually play these games
Awsumpossm said:
Shark Tank, you might want to make a slight edit on his "hover" (Actual name is Spectral)) variation. It is in fact known that he has at least one unique special move available while hovering, Paulo performed it just once and right after mentioning that hovering would bring unique moves. Ermac flies forward through the air quickly, possibly a sort of air grab like Zod's.
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Okay I know what part you are talking about I'll look.

I called the special move itself hover. I mentioned he gains in the spectral variation. I'm not sure what the actual name is called.
 
Fractured_Shadow

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
This is the first real zoner we have been shown and he looks pretty strong. This is what I have noticed so far:

He has an IAP which will most likley be the staple of his zoning HOWEVER it will not push him backwards it is more like Kang's IAP. Couple this with his TK Push and he seems he will be VERY tough to get in on.

2. I did not see any armor, which might be a big problem for him.

3. His movement speed is terrible.
 
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Eji1700

Kombatant
Shark Tank said:
Ninja---->Mummy---->Wizard

Discuss


VARIATIONS

Master of Souls
  • Has three spinning green orbs around him.
  • Grants Soul Ball Special move
  • Souls appear to recharge over time. Souls get used when soul ball is used.
Mystic
  • Hands glow green
  • Alters telekinetic moves
  • Alters Telekinetic push(very similar to the mk9 version)
  • Alters Telekinetic slam(levitates them)
Spectral
  • Glowing green gem in chest
  • Loses Levitate
  • Gains Hover
Special Moves

Disappear(aka wowwow)
  • Goes into a state of invulnerability/invisibility.
  • Cannot move
  • Can do moves out of it.
  • Only last a short while.
  • Move has a recovery timer
  • Can be done in air
Telekinetic Push
  • New version of his force push from MK9, short range blast in front of him.
  • Can be angled upward
  • Ex Version knocks back further.
  • Can be done in air
  • Ex air version ground bounces
Telekinetic Slam
  • NO LONGER GRANTS COMBO ON HIT FOR REGULAR VERSION(except in mystic, see Mystic.)
  • Ex Version does juggle
Levitate
  • Similar to MK9's version
  • Has a ground slam, unblockable, hits all screen. Need to be airborne to avoid. Moves him forward slightly
  • Can use a teleport drop kick during levitate
  • No available in spectral
Teleport
  • Horizontal screen teleport
  • Now knocks down on hit. Can be juggled after
  • EX version has armor/invincibility on start up? Floats opponent higher on hit.
  • Can be done airborne
Soul Ball(Master of Souls)
  • Grants a projectile special move. When use with three souls, it will stun the opponent
  • When not three souls, just regular projectile
  • Can also "explode" the projectile to launch(when opponent is stunned).
Telekinetic Slam(Mystic)
  • On hit, now levitates the opponent upside down for #freecombos
  • EX version unknown
Telekinetic Push(Mystic)
  • Reminiscent of the MK9 Telekinetic Push
  • On hit will grab opponents and knocks the full screen
  • Longer range than unaltered Telekinetic Push
  • Ex Version unknown
Hover(Spectral)
  • Can do attacks and special moves using hover
  • Can activate hover airborne or grounded
  • Unknown if hover has it's own unique special moves
  • You can start combos using hover normals->teleport(even if opponent is grounded on hit)
  • Can use intractables during hover
  • Cannot block during hover
  • Has a time limit
  • Ex Version Unknown
  • Has a superman like horizontal attack during hover. Grab?
Strings/Normals
D4 is an upward kick

B2 unblockable string looks to be back. Or variation of it.

Has like machine gun pew pew string.
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Good work, but at least from what I saw on the stream you've got one thing wrong:

The "wowow"(vanish) is NOT a neutral move, but master of souls only(they both say so on stream and you can read it as a part of the souls style description).

Other thoughts-

1. Vanish seems useless. I'd rather telport/float?

2. If soul ball can capture in air that's a HUGE plus, and it's already a great combo extender on someone with several built in.

3. They did say that all versions of EX slam would pop them up and deal damage, which would make it fucking awful in mystic(except for extra damage I guess?). Hopefully it's not that simple.

4. I think we saw the EX push at one point in the matches at the end, but I can't tell what it did(he held the guy longer, glowed greener, and then still pushed them...so maybe just damage? The old EX was meh as well).
 
Shark Tank

Shark Tank

I don't actually play these games
Him not having to burn meter for EX TKS for damage could be pretty important for his defensive game, since he can save it for breakers. Ofcourse there are quite a few variables more here, like his wakeup options or his meter building.
 
Skkra

Skkra

PSN: Skkra
Ermac is my favorite character of all time. I mained him in MK9 and I'll main him in MKX. That said...

He needs an armored "dragon punch" or he's going to end up mid-tier-at-best again, just like MK9. Having an armored, read-based get off me move is so, so important. Lao had spin, Sonya had her cartwheel (and it was safe!), etc etc.

Did anyone notice if Ermac seems to have an armored special? I only browsed the basic footage during my lunchbreak at the office today so my apologies if i'm asking a dumb question.
 
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