Man fuck the new era. I just want the character I like. Sektor has been in 4 games, 5 if you wanna be funny and count TE on the Gameboy. Its not like he was a played out character. This is honestly why I want a new studio to take over MK, NRS acts like they're bored with it.Sure. But you're acting surprised that this new version of the character is acting differently re family than the old one. It's a new version of the character, of course she's going to have different personality traits, the whole "I can't imagine Sektor doing that" doesn't make sense... Cos it's literally a different sektor with a different identity, so their identity will be different. Shouldn't be a shock.
It was the price we had to pay in order to see more than 2 returning 3D era characters.And zero new characters.
The people who are upset with this are longtime fans of said character, not just MK. Now me personally I'm a huge subzero fan and play him in every game no matter if he's shit or not. There are others like me who do the same.I feel like they can't win with people. If they don't change much people say what's the point of this new era thing, they changed him needlessly, and if they change stuff people say they've lost their identity... I think the point of the new era is their identity has changed but has things we know. Like the red cyborg suit, the flame throwers, the rocket etc. it's a new era!
Well yeah... It would be crazy for them to drastically change everything about every character. Some are gameplay redesigns, but the story ones are still new era stuff.People bring up the new era thing with the cyborg change but if you look at the cast of the game you will see only a handful of characters who look and play that different.
Liu, Raiden, Rain, Reptile and Tanya are the only ones with redesigns.(+Sektor and Cyrax) Everyone else is what you would expect but with different story elements, some more significant than others. And zero new characters.
I'm not surprised at all people don't like the changes. I like some and dislike others, naturally. I'm surprised that people are seemingly surprised when a character has changed in some way to the old one when it's been marketed as a new era.The people who are upset with this are longtime fans of said character, not just MK. Now me personally I'm a huge subzero fan and play him in every game no matter if he's shit or not. There are others like me who do the same.
I like what they did with subzero this time around with being able to play as bi-han. But people are upset that Kuai Liang is now scorpion and I don't blame them. It's a radical change for anyone who played sub or scorpion since MK2. It shouldn't be a shock that people don't like it when the character they know and love isn't just different but has a new identity.
No. No. I don't think that NRS is bored with MK at all. There is far too much effort put into references and characterization for me to believe that's true. You see Sektor using a laser gun that they only ever used once in MK4. You see Noob Saibot with an updated, but faithful animation of his old school running clone grab. In past games, it was just a tackle.Man fuck the new era. I just want the character I like. Sektor has been in 4 games, 5 if you wanna be funny and count TE on the Gameboy. Its not like he was a played out character. This is honestly why I want a new studio to take over MK, NRS acts like they're bored with it.
You gotta understand my dude, I'm not a Sektor fan, I am a Sektor freak. So yeah, the changes annoy me lmao
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Thats a fair point. I just don't see you going off and changing shit for no reason unless you're tired of itNo. No. I don't think that NRS is bored with MK at all. There is far too much effort put into references and characterization for me to believe that's true. You see Sektor using a laser gun that they only ever used once in MK4. You see Noob Saibot with an updated, but faithful animation of his old school running clone grab. In past games, it was just a tackle.
I could go on. Ermac's between round win pose where a Spirit comes out of him and goes, "shhhhh."
You don't add all these little details if you don't care.
Well we're yet to see full gameplay breakdowns for either of them, and haven't seen a gameplay trailer for Sektor.There is nothing in them that I can connect with OG cyborgs. I will just treat them as brand new characters and will keep my fingers crossed for a HARD RESET for next game, preferably not under the umbrella of WB and that no single finger from Dominic's hand even touch the keyboard to type the story for it.
You know, gender plays a crucial part in, well, immersion?To me, if they (...) made them male cyborgs, we'd be saying how cool they look
Yes, but you said there is NOTHING in them you can't connect with... Gender isn't everything, it's one thing.You know, gender plays a crucial part in, well, immersion?
And if they play around like that with fan favs, they should not be surprise with the reaction
I'll add that all Mileena's from all the timelines, are actually (IMO) cool characters in their own way. The Midway Mileena was apparently very smart and scheming, while the MK9 Mileena was basically a child-like savage animal, that would eventually develop (some) maturity in MKX. The MK1 Mileena is excellent as it keeps some core elements from her identity (tarkat, being Kitana's mirror, impulsiveness) while also having a new spin on it all.I'm a huge Mileena fan, yet she's changed drastically with each of the 3 timelines in terms of personality, motivations, etc.. The New Era Mileena is vastly different then the previous timelines, who was vastly different from the original timeline.
In the New Era, she's a good guy with a vicious disease who just happens to be impatient and have a temper, and is now canonically in a same sex relationship. That's not the same as a gender swap, and her and Tanya was expected based on the non-canonical portrayal in Mortal Kombat 11 Ultimate, but it's still a far cry from the character who was a schemer and featured in Playboy from the original timeline.
And yet non of this bothers me because the character still plays very much like Mileena. It's a different take on the character, but she's still fun to play. This may not be my Mileena, but she's not a bad version of the character, just a different take.
They made Baraka very cool this game.Baraka's new story is certainly my favorite new take - he went from a meat-eating savage jobber to a warped man that lost almost everything and is aware that the clock is ticking and adopts a stoic posture of "things are this way and I must do my best with what little I have left still". Peak writing.
Don't agree with everything, but I think seeing someone's thoughts all laid out like this really helps drive home that it feels like they don't know where they're going with this? It really feels like there was a "what if everyone was mostly good/had a reason" push at some point, and then they just dialed it back for a few to have some sort of conflict. The whole thing just becomes...."meh?". There's some ideas that are interesting in isolation (what if tarkat was a disease and mileena was favored and caught it), but when you're doing that with EVERYONE, it just kinda blends in.Thoughts
I honestly don’t like Tarkat, but my opinion should weigh a little less on this because I’ve never been a baraka stan. I do think it falls into another current media trope though.to be honest it's not that I dislike everything that they did in this New Era / Liuniverse. There are pieces that actually have potential and I have now a bit too much time so that I can analyze and compare it character by character
Ashrah - not much of a change, she is still a demon hunter on her way to purify herself. Don't want to hate on that, and even her design is defending itself
Baraka - at least got some proper development and the Tarkat idea is quite interesting ngl. The only thing that bothers me is that he is not evil anymore. But that's common NRS problem for this game
Ermac - him BEING Jerrod in the story is lazy af. Him being collection of souls is just something that we should expect, so technically not much changed
Geras - proper development from mindless jobber to a wise time-keeper and Liu's advisor. Good job
Havik - absolute garbage. From being cleric of chaos he is degraded to some random freedom fighter. Adding to that he is now merged with Dairou which doesn't make sense at all and can seriously piss all 3 Dairou's fans. Even the expansion is not giving him justice, becuase we see plenty of Haviks from different universes, so "our" Havik is probably limited to be a jobber. Not a fan of it, huge L
Johnny - is there even a change here? same douche Johnny with outdated punchlines and working as a comic relief. Next
Kenshi - worse than OG. Even the way he lost his sight is meh... Yakuza member on his way for redemption is a cool idea, but they should just create a brand new character with that motive instead. Leave properly developed Kenshi alone.
Kitana - she is so transparent in this game like I dont even remember her single exposure. Limited to be a sidekick of Mileena, not sure if that's a good decision. Good for a "WHAT IF" scenario, but building around this decision whole universe? not a fan of it.
Kung Lao - he is probably going to be a sidekick forever and that's a bad idea. It was perfect time for him to shine and take the spotlight but NOPE, NRS decided to create Raiden as a new protagonist. That's kinda undestable and expected, but still, I feel he is still underdeveloped as he was in the previous titles
Li Mei - she is ok, we can skip
Liu Kang - as MK11 shaped him for a proper god, he doesnt seem to be a good choice for it. But the change was expected and we have to live with that until next great reset.
Mileena - Tarkat is an interesting idea, but I really like my vicious, cunning and cruel Mileena. She stands nowhere near it unfortunately. There is a hope that because of tarkat her personality changes entirely, but I'm not sure they will follow that path. So we are forced to see noble but hurt Mileena. Overall its a change for worse, BUT there is still something that can be done to fix it
Nitara - blah blah blah, I need to feed my people, blah blah blah. Next
Quan Chi - nah man. I get the idea, but he was one of the most powerful beings in the old timeline. Pulled a lot of strings, manipulated a lot of guys from the roster and now he is just a regular ass necromancer. He tries (and NRS try...) but there is nothing in him that makes him more interesting.
Raiden - as said, the swap with Liu was expected, but that's totally not my Raiden. Hope for great reset to fix things
Rain - dropped a separate post about it. Not a HUGE fan, but it's ok
Reiko - similar to what we did have - jobber with a strong affection for Shao Kahn. Next
Reptile - much better than in the old timeline. Have to admit that. His story matters, he has BRAIN and feelings, I know that previously the story leading to Onaga's resurrection was strongly connected to him, but this time I think he has even more time to shine and it can be expanded even more
Scorpion - that should never happen in any of the timelines. One of the worst decisions NRS ever made.
Shang Tsung - I'm 50/50 on that, in the end he is not that different from his old self, it's just the way why he became this way is different.
Shao Kahn - it's ok, I always wanted Shao to be more down to the ground in terms of power level and not being a boss character.
Sindel - Sindel has to die in every single timeline she is, so now we are waiting for her resurrection. BOOORIINGGGGGG
Smoke - proper sidekick, didn't have any expectations so cannot complain now
Sub Zero - a bit lazy development that eventually leads to him transforming into Noob, not that different I think
Takeda - DLC so probably not canon, but him being cousin instead of a child of Kenshi is quite strange.
Tanya - bad af, she is like a Jade/brand new character in this game. #notmytanya
Sektor & Cyrax - said everything about it. Don't like it, will treat them as brand new characters
Noob - seems kind of lazy as his motives are so bland and uninspired "I AM EVIL AND I WANT TO BE MORE EVIL". but we will see in the expansion.
so overall, there were some good decisions, some ok-ish decisions and some that should not happen like ever. Still, I think developing this timeline leads to nowhere and the best option would be next reset to fix things and establish something on a well known basis without changing something that was already working fine. Ofc its only my view but I guess I dont need to mention it.
Tolkien was a known racist and many of the fantasy creatures are directly inspired by stereotypes. Hate to fuck up your elves and shit, but that's why media is trying to scrub out the "inherently evil race," thing.I honestly don’t like Tarkat, but my opinion should weigh a little less on this because I’ve never been a baraka stan. I do think it falls into another current media trope though.
Not a lord of the rings fan either but I have seen there’s some controversy with how orc’s are being portrayed in “The rings of Power”. They have made them sympathetic when previously they were strictly male warriors and seemed to thrive on battle and war.
Then you look at Baraka and it’s kind of the same thing with him in this game. Once a member of a bloodthirsty war mongering race. Now a victim of a disease that has ridiculed them from Edenia.
It’s like they are taking these bad groups and trying to draw some equivalency in the real world. Like “oh we have demonized such and such group of people for so long and they are so downtrodden and misunderstood”. Does anyone else see this or notice this trend?
I have no idea about Tolkien so if that’s the case then I can understand.Tolkien was a known racist and many of the fantasy creatures are directly inspired by stereotypes. Hate to fuck up your elves and shit, but that's why media is trying to scrub out the "inherently evil race," thing.
They were bloodthirsty warriors. For like thirty years.I have no idea about Tolkien so if that’s the case then I can understand.
However, this isn’t the case with most groups and there are indeed “groups” out there that can just be bad.
Like wasn’t Baraka’s race half demons? There’s no way you can spin that. Demons are bad. You don’t even have to be Christian to know this.
or if we’re talking about real world groups you could say Nazis were pretty fucking evil or the KKK are super fucking evil and bad. While the last 2 aren’t races they are still large groups that can be “evil”.
So in the case of orcs it may be bad, but how many people actually even know that about them? Aren’t there evil groups or races in World of Warcraft? Seems like a pretty common thing in fantasy media.
What I’m saying is now we take these groups and we say, “Oh they can’t be evil”. I just don’t think it’s always that deep ya know? Instead we take whatever said group/race/clan was and turn them into “sympathetic group that was demonized and downtrodden”. Like why can’t Baraka’s race just be bloodthirsty half demon warriors?
Your opinion on this doesn’t really even matterThey were bloodthirsty warriors. For like thirty years.
It's a New Era.
Nazi isn't a race. Neither is the KKK. Those are ideologies.I have no idea about Tolkien so if that’s the case then I can understand.
However, this isn’t the case with most groups and there are indeed “groups” out there that can just be bad.
Like wasn’t Baraka’s race half demons? There’s no way you can spin that. Demons are bad. You don’t even have to be Christian to know this.
or if we’re talking about real world groups you could say Nazis were pretty fucking evil or the KKK are super fucking evil and bad. While the last 2 aren’t races they are still large groups that can be “evil”.
So in the case of orcs it may be bad, but how many people actually even know that about them? Aren’t there evil groups or races in World of Warcraft? Seems like a pretty common thing in fantasy media.
What I’m saying is now we take these groups and we say, “Oh they can’t be evil”. I just don’t think it’s always that deep ya know? Instead we take whatever said group/race/clan was and turn them into “sympathetic group that was demonized and downtrodden”. Like why can’t Baraka’s race just be bloodthirsty half demon warriors?
So would a better word be species then? Because I’m thinking of hypotheticals here. So like say Nitara. They did the same “demonized, downtrodden, and oppressed” thing with her (mildly) in MK1 with the whole, “Just because my people feed on blood doesn’t make us evil!” She’s a vampire and you could say the vampire race correct or would species be preferable? Because yes if her people want to feed on our people then indeed that does make her people evil.Nazi isn't a race. Neither is the KKK. Those are ideologies.
Demons are bad always, like Ashrah, right? Also, that's something a person or being becomes in the Christian Bible, not a race you are born as.
WoW is heavily inspired by LOTR, like 99% of the fantasy genre, and the stereotypes are there.
Evil in the real world is most often selfishness or Psycopathy, hardly ever because your born a certain Race. A race being evil is either a racist allegory or fucking 7 year old Saturday Morning Cartoon shit.
Not trying to debate or be an ass, it's just one of those pet peeve things. Most High Fantasy is garbage and just some Author's fetish/thinly masked hate.
Wow you really are an idiot. LmaoYour opinion on this doesn’t really even matter
If they made the characters all furries and said Liu Kang’s Universe just had to play out this way you’d go along with it and lick NRS’s ass crack and tout how amazing the game is. That mindset can’t be taken seriously in caring about the lore and universe of MK.