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Each character's best normal/string/special

Lulzlou

Lulzlou

Kombatant
I agree with scorpions tele being his best special. I brings him a lot of options and it works extremely well with the vortex.

You have to be a jedi to hit confirm 21~spin. People use 112 off a jip a lot more since you can hit confirm it.
 
coolwhip

coolwhip

Master
PerfectMindGame said:
So you would have to put your whole mind into it just do be able to do it. I highly doubt PL is hitconfirming 21 if you watch all his matches. There are so many things possible in theory but nearly impossible to do in a fast paced match. Ive heard a lot of people talking about kung lao punishing pokes on block with a spin but I have yet to see anybody do it. Ive played kung lao for a long time and I highly doubt anybody does 21 hitconfirm consistently.
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I don't disagree with this. I didn't say it's easy to hit confirm, however, it is still hit confirmable.

Plus, my original post was mainly about how 2,1 is his best string, and there's a lot more to it than just not being easily hit confirmable. Keep in mind, the only time where it is difficult to hit confirm is when you happen to land it standing (say after a D3 or something like that). But when it comes to punishing for example (be it due to a whiff or punishing something that is negative on block that requires a fast normal like Reptile's dash or a Smoke bomb), 2, 1 is otherworldly.
 
Big Pampering

Big Pampering

Master
coolwhip said:
I don't disagree with this. I didn't say it's easy to hit confirm, however, it is still hit confirmable.

Plus, my original post was mainly about how 2,1 is his best string, and there's a lot more to it than just not being easily hit confirmable. Keep in mind, the only time where it is difficult to hit confirm is when you happen to land it standing (say after a D3 or something like that). But when it comes to punishing for example (be it due to a whiff or punishing something that is negative on block that requires a fast normal like Reptile's dash or a Smoke bomb), 2, 1 is otherworldly.
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As a Lao player I totally agree. 21 interrupts a lot of stuff like kabals block strings and it is a really good punish. on hit on itself it is +6, its also a very good pressure tool. kung lao's standing 2 is probably the best jab in the game because of its range and speed
 
DragonPick

DragonPick

I don't play Runescape
Current Arguments
Smoke: D4/D3/Sweep vs B2
Kabal: Gas Blast vs Nomad Dash
Cage: 2, 1, F2 vs F33
Sektor: 1 vs Stance, overhead
Kabal: 2, 1 vs 1, 2
Scorpion: Spear vs teleport


I'm really glad you guys are arguing this, but please. If you do it, do so in a peaceful and respectful manner. There's no reason to call others out or insult in this thread out for anything. Thanks for all of your help, though guys.
 
Mikemetroid

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Lead Moderator
HGTV Soapboxfan said:
Do you really believe 21f2 is better than fwd33b3? They both have their upsides, but fwd3 cannot be ducked while 2 can, it builds better meter, and being at negative 4 after fwd33 opens up mindgames, because the opponent is more likely to try something. Alos the whole string is neutral with pushback, starting b3 and whiff punishing setups that simply are not available after 21f2. If we are doing it taking all the options with the string into account, I would say cage is b3/fwd33b3/nutpunch
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Yes I really believe 21f2 is better as a string then f3,3,b3.

Try not to account player faults and look at the real stats of it. It leads to awesome damage and the nut punch. It's also a great way to beat out incoming normals from other opponents. (say that rain was doing his over head at a distance to try to catch you, if you do 21f2 most likely you'll win, this isn't garanteed though.)

Don't mention f33 because thats a different string. :p
 
Chongo

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
Mikemetroid said:
Yes I really believe 21f2 is better as a string then f3,3,b3.

Try not to account player faults and look at the real stats of it. It leads to awesome damage and the nut punch. It's also a great way to beat out incoming normals from other opponents. (say that rain was doing his over head at a distance to try to catch you, if you do 21f2 most likely you'll win, this isn't garanteed though.)

Don't mention f33 because thats a different string. :p
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I will testify that this works. It makes you salty like nothing else.
 
HGTV Soapboxfan

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
Mikemetroid said:
Yes I really believe 21f2 is better as a string then f3,3,b3.

Try not to account player faults and look at the real stats of it. It leads to awesome damage and the nut punch. It's also a great way to beat out incoming normals from other opponents. (say that rain was doing his over head at a distance to try to catch you, if you do 21f2 most likely you'll win, this isn't garanteed though.)

Don't mention f33 because thats a different string. :p
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Wait we need to clarify this then. DragonPick does the string include all of the options you have with it, like staggers? or just that whole string? but anyway, in that situation why wouldnt you just use back3?
 
Mikemetroid

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Lead Moderator
HGTV Soapboxfan said:
Wait we need to clarify this then. DragonPick does the string include all of the options you have with it, like staggers? or just that whole string? but anyway, in that situation why wouldnt you just use back3?
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with 21f2 I can push them closer to the corner. Plus with the upgraded 21f2 dash f3 dash 44nut it leads to around the same amount of damage.

And my only argument is that its a different string. F33b3 and f33 are different, just like 21f2 and 21b4. F3 is its best normal because it leads UP to f3 mixups which include f33, f33ex, f33b3. 21f2 is a great combo string that has some awesome distance and priority.
 
DragonPick

DragonPick

I don't play Runescape
When I say string, I put the string on the chart completely unless I just don't know the full string. I need to acutally look at my game for that and I don't play on weekdays.

If you say Cage's F3, 3 I count it as F3, 3, B3.
However, if you say F3, I count it as only the first move and it would be a normal (or command, but I didn't want to make the name too long).

So, if you say F3, 3 is better than 2, 1, F2 then I'm counting F3, 3, B3 all together. I should put parenthesis or bold where the best part or most important part of the string ends. And yes, all options of the string are included. Thanks, I will go through the thread and fix up what needs to be fixed from that example (just parenthesis on parts of the string that aren't as important as the rest)
 
HGTV Soapboxfan

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
DragonPick said:
When I say string, I put the string on the chart completely unless I just don't know the full string. I need to acutally look at my game for that and I don't play on weekdays.

If you say Cage's F3, 3 I count it as F3, 3, B3.
However, if you say F3, I count it as only the first move and it would be a normal (or command, but I didn't want to make the name too long).

So, if you say F3, 3 is better than 2, 1, F2 then I'm counting F3, 3, B3 all together. I should put parenthesis or bold where the best part or most important part of the string ends. And yes, all options of the string are included. Thanks, I will go through the thread and fix up what needs to be fixed from that example (just parenthesis on parts of the string that aren't as important as the rest)
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So saying fwd33b3 includes just fwd3, fwd33, and fwd33b3. Thanks.
 
HGTV Soapboxfan

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
Mikemetroid said:
with 21f2 I can push them closer to the corner. Plus with the upgraded 21f2 dash f3 dash 44nut it leads to around the same amount of damage.

And my only argument is that its a different string. F33b3 and f33 are different, just like 21f2 and 21b4. F3 is its best normal because it leads UP to f3 mixups which include f33, f33ex, f33b3. 21f2 is a great combo string that has some awesome distance and priority.
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But walking back and then on reaction punishing with b3 is a lot safer than throwing out random 21f2. I guess it is situational. I think we can agree that both strings are really good and have their uses. What do you think about back3?
 
Mikemetroid

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Lead Moderator
HGTV Soapboxfan said:
But walking back and then on reaction punishing with b3 is a lot safer than throwing out random 21f2. I guess it is situational. I think we can agree that both strings are really good and have their uses. What do you think about back3?
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i like b3 as its really good for what you said, good counters for those who try to poke out at the wrong time. Its also a great anti air tool.
 
Mikemetroid

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Lead Moderator
If all options are included yes, f3,3,b3 strings are better than the 21f2 strings.

F3,3,b3 includes
f3,3, nutpunch - 9 frame punish reset
f3,3,ex fb - Frame trap plus jailing
f3,3,b3 - overhead with advantage
f3,3,b3 exfb - corner frametrap.

21f2 includes
21- an OK pressure string.
21b4- not safe on block and neutral on hit
21f2- overhead which leads to great damage.
21f2- also a nine frame punish.
 
Mikemetroid

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Lead Moderator
HGTV Soapboxfan said:
So b3/fwd33b3/nutpunch?
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Mikemetroid said:
If all options are included yes, f3,3,b3 strings are better than the 21f2 strings.

F3,3,b3 includes
f3,3, nutpunch - 9 frame punish reset
f3,3,ex fb - Frame trap plus jailing
f3,3,b3 - overhead with advantage
f3,3,b3 exfb - corner frametrap.

21f2 includes
21- an OK pressure string.
21b4- not safe on block and neutral on hit
21f2- overhead which leads to great damage.
21f2- also a nine frame punish.
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Mikemetroid

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Lead Moderator
HGTV Soapboxfan said:
why is fwd3 not included in fwd33b3? and 2 with 21f2? they are staggers as well. And then his best standalone normal would be b3, as an aa and one of the best whiff punishers in the game
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ok no, f3 is way better than b3. LBSH.

and I didn't include the normals because they are normals lolol.
 
DragonPick

DragonPick

I don't play Runescape
lol, I just opened this topic up to start fixing the strings and such. I'll edit this post when I finish and add the remaining arguments

Arguments
Reptile: Elbow Dash vs Acid Hand
Noob: B1 vs B2 vs D3 vs D1 and 1,2 vs 2, 1, 2 vs F3, 3, 3
Smoke: D4/d3/sweep vs B2 vs F4
Sektor: Leg Lift, 3 vs 1 and Flame Burner vs Teleport (probably gonna put teleport)
Scorpion: Teleport vs Spear
Kano: B1 vs F1 and 2, 1, 2 vs B1, 1, 2 and Knife vs Upball
Kabal: Gas Blast vs Nomad Dash
CSZ (whoo boy): F1 vs B1 vs B2 and 22 vs 21 vs f221 vs 33 vs 34
Quan Chi: 2, 1, 2 vs F1, 2, 1+2
Freddy: B2 vs B3 and F4, 2, 1 vs F4, 3

Characters who need some yummy lovin: Sindel (normal and string), Baraka (normal), Sheeva (normal), Quan Chi (normal)
 
Laos_boy

Laos_boy

Meow Hoes
Sindel - either 44( the range ) or 21 ( hits low, combo starter, and leaves you at plus frame with Levi cancels )

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