Dodge rolls for a bar. This changes things.

[shaowebb]

Saw Rathalos post this on Neogaf but this is huge if its a universal mechanic

Now stop and think about this for a bit if you've never played KOF before and what this does to movement and matchups in and of itself if its a universal mechanic. Can't get in as Lex vs Zodd? Dodge roll for a bar. You're a zoner but folks keep rolling in on your MB Zodd balls? Bait them by firing only one quicky procectile and stuff their roll because you recovered faster than had you gone all in with a bigger spray of balls. Playing Batman? Call Batarangs as you roll through and try to setup a left right mixup.

It only gets deeper on wakeup if its a wakeup option. Bane fully armored hovering over you in the corner? Roll out. Folks avoiding your vortex as Frost? Get em to over respect it and either wait to punish their rolls or go for throws and cost them meter over and over as they panic between knockdowns.

Dodge rolls are an enormous mindgame in fighters that have them. These will also help with casuals screaming about folks like Zodd or Deathstroke online because they will have an option they can more easily understand to counter those tools. In casual games dodgerolls are everywhere, but at high level play they are more of a mind game and used sparingly.

Weigh in folks. How do you feel about this? I know as a Bane main it changes things for me a good bit on any non auto correct moves since he's a knockdown specialist.

EDIT: Confirmed universal mechanic. Aquaman shown doing it as well as Atrocitus.

 

[Invincible Salads]

so zoning will once again be irrelevant i take it. All hail the mighty rushdown!

 

[SoundsLikePAUSE]

I think the corner escape possibilities are the most important part of this feature. We all know how deadly corners are in Injustice 1/MKX.

 

[Awkward Sloth]

I foresee fun cross up set ups with characters with zodball/forceball like projectiles that move slow and launch for full combos.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

so zoning will once again be irrelevant i take it. All hail the mighty rushdown!

Bad to jump to conclusions.

 

[shaowebb]

Imagine the salt of baiting a dodgeroll after a corner knockdown as Bane only to cancel into his autocorrecting grab super to snatch them from behind him.

Also don't worry about this making zoning useless. It costs a bar and you can easily bait folks into rolling into a full combo by mixing up your meatier tools with fast recovery ones or even staggering your offense. Unsafe rolls equate to DEATH in any game where you perform one. Watch any KOF match to prove this. Plus these cost meter. Vortex folks could suck you dry by panicking you with repeated knockdowns into high/low situations only to block and punish your roll with a throw or something.

Believe me...this shit will be DEEP. High level players will abuse reads and drain your meter like mad forcing you into hasty rolls at either the wrong distance, time or moment.

 

[Protagonist_1]

First thing I thought about when I saw this was KOF. I think it's good touch in my opinion, but I'm unsure how it affects zoning in KOF.

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

It would suck if it's a wake-up option against characters whose entire game lives and dies around their oki game.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

I wonder if every character will have this same forward roll and how much invincibility it will it have?
How quickly does it activate (looks instant)?
how do you build this ability?

Looks like its too easy to get out of the corner or get past zoning with this move

 

[trufenix]

Bad to jump to conclusions.

the last week has been one big jump after another, why stop now?

 

[Darth Mao]

Very good tool against Injustice/MKX "and now you die corner setups".

 

[Name v.5.0]

Zoning is boring anyway. Bring on the rolls!

 

[B. Shazzy]

Universal mechanic I saw Aquaman do it too

 

[Qwark28]

Bad to jump to conclusions.

Same for a ponys ass but he'd do it all the same

 

[shaowebb]

Universal mechanic I saw Aquaman do it too

Oh man. Do you have a timestamp on a vid for this? I'll gif it out for us.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

So with the loot system and shit can I equip Dark Wood Grain Ring + Carthus Bloodring to get more invincibility frames?

 

[Tundra81]

Zoning is boring anyway. Bring on the rolls!

I couldn't agree more. It kind of amazes how the "zoners" think it takes skill to do what they do.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

It would suck if it's a wake-up option against characters whose entire game lives and dies around their oki game.

Only if the roll recovers instantly and is invincible from the first frame.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Oh man. Do you have a timestamp on a vid for this? I'll gif it out for us.

Spoiler: Video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=574&ebc=ANyPxKp1SYTKXuSOcPuHC98KzzhLRtj7DvLj-vqr-7wqqOhf2g3vamEL_su0wv67I96p8FcoAvAkJ6DkiDz0lR03eM9-Ko5a7w&v=LGa6Tem8RXs

9:32

 

[Rathalos]

In KoF generally rolls were somewhat invincible but could be thrown. And were pretty punishable if you did them at the wrong time.

That doesnt' mean much for this game though.

 

[Jer]

So with the loot system and shit can I equip Dark Wood Grain Ring + Carthus Bloodring to get more invincibility frames?

Lmao this is gold

 

[Error404]

I don't see how spending a bar every time you're opponent is throwing a fireball is a viable strategy but whatever. I'm not jumping on the hate bandwagon this time.

 

[Harlequin969]

It looks like a mini breaker option from what I've seen of it. Pops you out of a combo for a bar and gives you a chance to try blocking. Considering the clash system is a one time deal I'd welcome an extra defensive option

 

[shaowebb]

I wonder what would happen on a roll if you went over Grundy hands? Would you get held or would the whole roll be invulnerable? Would it not be grab invulnerable to Grundy hands even if it was normally fully invulnerable to regular attack or projectiles? Soooooooo many questions.

We need some real players at the demo somehow to report in on this mechanic.

Heres the promised gif of it with Aquaman.

 

[RagingRicans]

I love options

Gimmie options