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Dear NRS: some suggestions to adjust the joker.

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Mid please close threads like this. The game is a month old!!!

Do you guys understand that games evolve and so do matchups?

No nerf or buff threads for a year. If you are asking for buffs it's probably bc u suck
Do you even understand, play or even know anything about joker? He's literally a nerfed version of his former self. Evolution has nothing to do with a character that plays LITERALLY THE SAME but with less tools then he had before. Throwing out we suck without any knowledge of this character makes you look extremely ignorant. So please, unless you know anything, and I mean anything, don't bring your ignorance here.

Btw, if you would like to play one of us to understand the character or assess our skill by all means, just ask.

My PSN is Vengeance135
 

seveergg

The Elegant Swagger Beast
Do you even understand, play or even know anything about joker? He's literally a nerfed version of his former self. Evolution has nothing to do with a character that plays LITERALLY THE SAME but with less tools then he had before. Throwing out we suck without any knowledge of this character makes you look extremely ignorant. So please, unless you know anything, and I mean anything, don't bring your ignorance here.

Btw, if you would like to play one of us to understand the character or assess our skill by all means, just ask.

My PSN is Vengeance135
Ooooooooooooooooohhhh he said you aint have no nipples dohhhhhh!!!!
 

seveergg

The Elegant Swagger Beast
Nah stop that
Hahaha dawg this all the way. If i dont buy a ps4 jjst for fighting games then im special ordering a ps4-like controller to play on xbox. So guys, i actually like joker. Picked him up an hour ago actually and hes dope af. And low tier so hes right up my alley. Anyone on here play on xb1 so they can show me the dirty biznaz with this character a bit, or any suggestions on where i should look at to improve after labbing? Much aprreciated gentlemen.
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Hahaha dawg this all the way. If i dont buy a ps4 jjst for fighting games then im special ordering a ps4-like controller to play on xbox. So guys, i actually like joker. Picked him up an hour ago actually and hes dope af. And low tier so hes right up my alley. Anyone on here play on xb1 so they can show me the dirty biznaz with this character a bit, or any suggestions on where i should look at to improve after labbing? Much aprreciated gentlemen.
Yo get on ps4 and I'll help you lol
 
My final thoughts on this topic before the post-Evo patch

1. Give Joker a wakeup that actually has invincible frames (I would prefer acid blossom for this, but crowbar would be a secondary option).

2. Restore his Inj1 J2 version. I don't even use J2 unless I connect a sweep. In almost every other situation with almost every character (exceptions: braniac and other big bodies), J2 simply whiffs at many ranges. Buffing J2 would also give us more options to open up our opponents.

3. Fix some hitbox/whiffing issues. For example, 21 whiffs on a crouching Green Arrow.

4. Have MB gun explode on block to give + frames or give + frames back to MB rolling gas. It's disgusting that, once we finally get it, we can't even continue some sort of pressure because we literally have no + frames from our special. Only thing I rely on is 21 or 212 teeth. Every other option is punished..... hard

5. This is still my biggest want for Joker - A re-work of F2. Please, a somewhat fast starting mid would be great because we don't have to rely on such unsafe options to even attempt to open up an opponent (D2 or sweep).

If Joker had these things, I'd be happy playing him for the entire lifespan of the game's cycle (just like how I've been religiously playing this character since Day 1). None of these changes will make him broken. It will simply make him more viable.

If they do not address these issues, here are some substitutes that aren't as important, but can still definitely help.

1. Actually make his parry invincible. I think it's utterly terrible that we make the right read (literally can be blown up by a jump in or low into full combo), yet we still get blown up by a mid or overhead.

2. Make D2 a tad bit faster. Here's the thing, if NRS doesn't rework F2, then we're stuck with our D2, D3, B1, and Jump-ins for Joker's neutral game. As already described previously, this is Joker's biggest problem. Making D2 faster would most definitely improve his neutral because his anti-airs become more consistent while, at the same time, we can make more use of that horizontally (when both players are on the ground)

3. Fix (or maybe buff?) MB gun whiff issues off B1. Not sure if this was intended, but B1 MB Gun only works on a certain amount of characters, but for many others, we have to strictly delay the MB Gun part.

4. Make crowbar safe. This ties in with how Joker literally CANNOT use his 32 string because every option is punished. 32 teeth? punish. 32 low canister? neutral jump punish (or just block because we have no + frames) 32 crowbar? punish. Every option (unless you do bounce cancel) is punished. Not to mention, all of this is reactable

5. Give more use to MB parry. I don't mind scaling down damage if it gives me a setup

6. Trait buff plz

Like I said, I don't mind if none of these become implemented, but I really this my first 5 are the only things Joker needs to become a viable (not overpowered) character
 

Kanalratte

aka FROSTIE
won't be surprised if they only reduce the trait animation for the post evo patch :p for a trait that is absolutely useless. but hey Sub is coming next week. time to switch chars. ;)
 
won't be surprised if they only reduce the trait animation for the post evo patch :p for a trait that is absolutely useless. but hey Sub is coming next week. time to switch chars. ;)
For real though, it's hard for me to even hope for Joker buffs. The Joker community and I all got burned badly when the only buff they gave was the a quicker parry in Inj 1 lol
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
For real though, it's hard for me to even hope for Joker buffs. The Joker community and I all got burned badly when the only buff they gave was the a quicker parry in Inj 1 lol
Don't forget our otg lol man that otg made such a difference in the corner
 
Don't forget our otg lol man that otg made such a difference in the corner
Yes, it did make a crazy big difference in the corner and even midscreen, but I don't think it's necessary anymore.

In reality, I think NRS really did try to help Joker out a little. They were probably thinking something to the extent of, "Let's tone down the setups and replace with some good movement." It's not bad thinking.

They simply didn't do enough. So, instead of thinking about my old Inj 1 way, I'm saying to myself, "In their mindset of balancing a character out, what could they do." Well, they wanted to tone down setups for better neutral. Our neutral is still pretty bad even with better movement. That's why I still think re-working F2 could literally be the tool that makes Joker viable.
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
Yes, it did make a crazy big difference in the corner and even midscreen, but I don't think it's necessary anymore.

In reality, I think NRS really did try to help Joker out a little. They were probably thinking something to the extent of, "Let's tone down the setups and replace with some good movement." It's not bad thinking.

They simply didn't do enough. So, instead of thinking about my old Inj 1 way, I'm saying to myself, "In their mindset of balancing a character out, what could they do." Well, they wanted to tone down setups for better neutral. Our neutral is still pretty bad even with better movement. That's why I still think re-working F2 could literally be the tool that makes Joker viable.
Glad we just had that discussion in discord lol
 
Here are a few suggestions to improve the joker. I don't want all of these things. They are just suggestions of possible buffs that could help joker out.


  1. Greatly decrease the push back of MB joy buzzer. It restands but doesn't allow any follow up. Why not make it more like nutpunch. Give us a chance for a midscreen setup.
  2. Decrease the startup of d2. At 12 frames it is hard to hit on reaction. If it was 10 frames it would be a slight buff, but would make a difference.
  3. Decrease the pushback of jokers strings on hit. As is joker seems to work against himself. He wants to get in there, but instead of being rewarded for opening up the opponent he sends them back nearly fullscreen. Then has to do all of that work over again. God forbid they wakeup backdash.
  4. Change his trait. A few suggestions for changing the trait. I am Not looking for all of these things. You could make it one lvl. You could make it decrease the startup of his normals instead of increasing his movement speed. You could make it the acid flower. Please do something. Look at how good batman, black adam, aquaman, catwoman, and superman's traits are to name a few. Some of them can cancel into their traits mid combo!
  5. Make meter burn gunshot a mid. If meter burn gunshot is a mid joker can consistantly do his d1 punish combo on all of the cast. As of now it wiffs on every female character.
These are a few things that i think could help the joker without catapulting him to top tier. Once again let me say that i am not asking for all things mentioned. Just a little help somewhere. I'm sure the rest of the joker community will weigh in.

@SonicFox5000
lol
 

BanTheTesters

“Only the BEST are asked to be Lin Kuei...”
Moderator
Also another small suggestion that wasn't mentioned on stream...

@DeftMonk also already made a thread about this here: https://testyourmight.com/threads/mb-gun-bug.64754/

This also needs to be addressed (maybe it will be in the actual non stream patch notes?)

I liken this to Bo Rai Cho's earlier fart catch glitch from MKX..it was fixed so who knows..or maybe they'll let it rock at this point idk..
 

EMP Dark

Noob
My personal suggestions for him is

Bring back acid blossom

Make his b1 and d1 when it hits links into mb gas canister for full combo.

Make his crowbar safer on block

Make his 21 string +7 on block tired of people mashing d1 after that string

That's all I really want but I doubt they give him anything in the next patch either lol.
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
My personal suggestions for him is

Bring back acid blossom

Make his b1 and d1 when it hits links into mb gas canister for full combo.

Make his crowbar safer on block

Make his 21 string +7 on block tired of people mashing d1 after that string

That's all I really want but I doubt they give him anything in the next patch either lol.

This getting ignored shit is stressful lol