Cyrax General Discussion

[Felipe_Gewehr]

Is she really a problem?

She has a 4-way guessing game that drains meter and loops into itself. Yes, she is a problem - was a problem when first introduced, but now people discovered Sareena makes her even more of a problem.

 

[LEGEND]

I always maintained that Cyrax/Sektor was a top team before I stopped playing for a while. Even if Sareena gets nerfed that team will still be problematic.

There's no reason any character should have an untechable throw that combos and leads into a vortex. It might be Matchup specific but it's still total bullshit.

 

[Juggs]

She has a 4-way guessing game that drains meter and loops into itself. Yes, she is a problem - was a problem when first introduced, but now people discovered Sareena makes her even more of a problem.

That’s true, she also I believe has a guaranteed reset with Madam Bo. Here’s what I’m referring to below

https://x.com/i/web/status/1908379725925400761

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

That’s true, she also I believe has a guaranteed reset with Madam Bo. Here’s what I’m referring to below

https://x.com/i/web/status/1908379725925400761

Disgusting.

 

[kabelfritz]

Is she really a problem?

i mean, havent you played her?

she has a fullscreen combo starter that wins most projectile trades.
those combos can drain meter and always lead into a mainly safe, bomb-supported low/overhead/comboable throw mixup that can also break armor. her only saving grace is the low damage, but still. once youre in it, its bomb show. i dont think its alright, even though the character identity should stay.

 

[Juggs]

i mean, havent you played her?

No, I haven’t.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Cyrax/shujinko is pretty dirty.

You get a meterless/kameoless double bomb setup at the end of every combo with f+k, u+k.

You get good meterless damage (average 40%+) with the various launchers you steal, and each combo gives enough time to recharge shujinko fully so he’s available next time

You get a full combo off b1; either with f+k, u+k or with f+k into dbK steal.

All of this is meterless so you’ve always got armour for breaker, or can use metered ground net for the setup if you want to.

Not to mention you get lots of invincible wakeups/plus frames/projectiles for many of the characters.

You also get +100 health.

In most matchups it’s very worth it. The only ones where the steal is a bit ehh (in terms of combos) is Cyrax, Shang, and Reiko. Cyrax steals the net (but it counts as yours and you can’t double net) and the spin which is ehh in terms of combos-ability. Shang, she steals his ground sparks, or the opponent’s kameo; not necessarily worth it. Reiko, she gets his command grab (which is decent and ticks from basically everything) but doesn’t combo from anything.

 

[kabelfritz]

just fought a cyrax/cyrax and it might have been worse than sareena. there was a meter-drain net in every combo so i was always on zero, and it seemed like i had to guess 2 overhead/throw mixups in a row after every combo.

 

[Pan1cMode]

just fought a cyrax/cyrax and it might have been worse than sareena. there was a meter-drain net in every combo so i was always on zero, and it seemed like i had to guess 2 overhead/throw mixups in a row after every combo.

Only issue is that you don’t get a throw combo without bomb being placed. Sareena, Sub zero, frost, shujinko, sektor - you need a launching/capture summon kameo in order to do so.

 

[kabelfritz]

i think the simplest reality check for cyrax would be to make her command throw a high. come at me.

 

[Pan1cMode]

i think the simplest reality check for cyrax would be to make her command throw a high. come at me.

It is a high?

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

Even simpler fix: bombs go away on command grab.

 

[Pan1cMode]

If you’re going to nerf Cyrax
- after four bombs in a combo, any further bombs thrown are duds.

Still gets her loops, but if you want a two bomb setup, you’re gonna have to cut your combos much shorter.

I quite like using her, although I do admit Cyrax/Sareena is rather boring to watch. It’s the combination of having to guess multiple times, and not gaining any resources during due to the meter drain of Sareena and the ex net.

 

[kabelfritz]

It is a high?

i mean a high like in not a throw, like some "1+2" inputs in strings. but i just threw that out, its not an elaborate thought.

If you’re going to nerf Cyrax
- after four bombs in a combo, any further bombs thrown are duds.

Still gets her loops, but if you want a two bomb setup, you’re gonna have to cut your combos much shorter.

I quite like using her, although I do admit Cyrax/Sareena is rather boring to watch. It’s the combination of having to guess multiple times, and not gaining any resources during due to the meter drain of Sareena and the ex net.

would it be so hard though to find similarly damaging one, two or zero bomb combos, so that the setups will stay similar?

 

[Pan1cMode]

i mean a high like in not a throw, like some "1+2" inputs in strings. but i just threw that out, its not an elaborate thought.

Nah, if it’s just a regular strike that completely destroys her, and takes away her unique identity. Like what would actually be the point?

would it be so hard though to find similarly damaging one, two or zero bomb combos, so that the setups will stay similar?

I mean potentially, but I looked in training mode for a while and couldn’t find them. You can certainly do single or two bomb combos to end in the double bomb setup, but the damage ends up being like 10-15% less.

You can definitely get similar damage and still have a single bomb left for oki, but the laying of 2-3 bombs on the ground following a combo would be nerfed.

 

[scarsunseen]

i love Cyrax/Cyrax. I dont need no stinkin' Sareena! Here's a short clip of ultimate corner death followed by a twitch clip compilation. I don't want to spam this whole thread with my videos, so I'll just leave these two here. Enjoy!