Robin outpaces him in the neutral and takes huge advantage of his slow ass buttons. The fact that Swamp Thing's buttons are so slow makes the counter poke game super one dimension on his side meanwhile Robin is barely negative on a lot of things which means he might as well be 0 on everything against swamp thing. This also makes exploiting any gaps he has a nightmare which is a big a big part of the mu.
11 winning MUs=Throwing around like candy? He still has some completely garbage matchups and most of his chart is 5-5s. I don't upplay I take my experience in the MUs and use that to determine the number, that's all.
It's absurdly slight simply because the mobility is awkward to get around for Swamp Thing and he can't use DB3 nearly as effectively but in the midrange/up closw its pretty even.
green arrow cant really do anything once swamp thing gets in and his log is much more effective at shutting him down now. swamp thing can stay at a perfect distance to always blow up green arrow wakeup while still being in the range to meaty him on knockdown because of his range. he has a tool to stop high/jump shots and a tool to stop savage blast as well. its hard for me to see green arrow beats him.
Log IS effective at locking him down now but it's still a bit of an awkward situation to get the log out with the threat of low shot being there. There's not really much stopping GA from shooting low shots until the Swamp Thing player gets the hint that he should block for a bit. Eventually you'll start jumping low shots or inching in which gives you space to reload/do jump shots. It's all reads it's just that the reads are in Green Arrow's favor full screen.
Personally, I think he loses 3-7 super girl and superman.
Play against a Catwoman that knows that she can just B3 and J2 through all your stuff and you will cry yourself to sleep with nightmares of that MU.
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Midrange its even, full screen it's a bit rough but when you corner her she just disintegrates
Yeah, you're probably right, just gotta lab some more
Also, me and my brother play the Grodd, Swamp Thing MU, and we decided a while back it was 5-5. Could you run down why Swamp Thing wins it?
Our midrange buttons are better and we can again lame him out. It's very similar to the cheetah MU only grodd gets big time fucked by all our stuff. His leap isn't at good, his up close game isn't as scary. We bully him pretty hard on basically every part of the screen. Also log makes grodd a sad boy.
If you play a Catwoman that actually knows the MU, you are going to get demolished. Vine Grab is on a hard read and can work but if youre even off by a bit, blow up. If you'e getting away with any log kick within J2 range, the Catwoman player youre playing isnt play it right because she can just jump it and punish every time. You have no consistent way to deal with J2 outside of that extremely risky vine grab and up close, you basically cant AA Her at all. B3 low profiles basically every mid he has and on top of all that, your defensive options against stagger are absurdly 2 dimensional and she can disrespect the every loving christ out of you. So again, if you play the MU against a Catwoman who actually knows it, youre going to cry lol I also thought the MU wasnt that bad till Nicky and I played a couple of really long sets she outdoes you on the ground due to having about the same quality of buttons while also being able to essentially phase through your buttons, J2 is a problem for more than just raw jump ins, if youre playing ground game snd your goal is to keep them at F2 range and play in that space she's just gonna jump your grounded buttons and body you and considering your only option for that at the ranges she'll be jumping is a hard read? Odds are you're getting blown the fuck up.
I disagree. A catwoman player can't jump in on reaction to the log animation she has to do it preemptively. So she is making a hard read also. She is taking just as much as a risk by jumping in at you as you are by doing an air vine grab (air vine grab does a lot of damage). I think ST air vine grab has even more reach than CW ji2 so you might hit her even if she whiffs. Once you get the catwoman player to notice how risky it is to jump at you she will stop at this point you can go for log kicks or an f2. You can also activate trait and walk back and let it spread at this point the catwoman can't come in since she would be in the garden and no longer be able to jump or dash you can try your logs at this point.
I literally had Nicky reacting to and jumping log, every time lol you can totally react to that startup considering you have 21f to see it come out and then the time it takes to reach you is plenty of time to react
The move would be completely useless in every match up if that were true. I really doubt you believe log is a useless move. I personally think is a great move. Risky to some degree but it is good. You have to be less predictable and space it propely. You can mix it up with a f2 or you can even bait the jumps in your favor. When the opponent is expecting a log they will jump at this point you grab them out of the air. If you think that everybody can just jump a log then the move wouldn't be as good as it is.