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CrazyFinger's Swamp Thing MU Chart (WiP)

CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
I figured I'd put this out there to start conversation about this character. I think he is way better than people give him credit for (still pretty bad) So here's where I think he struggles and excels MU wise.

Character: Swamp Thing-Character
Aquaman: 6-4

Atrocitus: 6-4

Bane: 6-4

Batman: 5-5

Black Adam: 5-5

Canary: 6-4

Blue Beetle: 4-6

Brainiac: 6-4

Captain Cold: 5-5

Catwoman: 3-7

Cheetah: 5-5

Cybrog: 5-5

Darkseid: 6-4

Deadshot: 5-5

Fate: 6-4

Firestorm: 4-6

Flash: 5-5

Gorilla Grodd: 6-4

Green Arrow: 4-6

Green Lantern: 5-5

Harley Quinn: 5-5

Joker: 5-5

Ivy: 5-5

Red Hood: 4-6

Robin: 4-6

Scarecrow: 5-5

Starfire: 5-5

Sub-Zero: 4-6

Supergirl: 5-5

Superman: 4-6

Wonder Woman: Very slight 4-6

Black Manta: 6-4

Raiden: 6-4

Hellboy: 4-6

Atom: Under Investigation, possible 4-6


Discuss, enjoy.
 
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Sesal Snow

Sesal Snow

Exorcist, Demonologist and Master of the Dark Arts
I like this for the most part. I think that the Cyborg MU is even in my "Opinion" I have played the MU many time's on both side's of the table and feel that neither character has a decent enough advantage to justify a 6-4.
That's just my "Opinion"
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
xKhaoTik said:
Ivy wins and canary loses imo.

No idea on starfire. Never ran it
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Ivy is super close to being a winning MU for Swamp Thing the only issue being it's hard to come back after getting thrown full screen and going into the trait blender. It's super momentum based whoever has the life lead tends to keep it.

Canary is one of those things where yea in the neutral she gets beat but she hits you once and it's like "lul neutral what?" again, pretty swingy matchup which is why i say 5-5.

Starfire is a ton of patience and one good read. Stardust has absurd recovery and that's the key to the MU if you read (if your reactions are good enough you can react) Startdust you can MB Roll in or MB DB3 and get right in her face for a punish. He kind of fucks her on knockdown. Her upclose game is pretty easy to handle. Oh and you can whiff punish trait from stupid ranges. But it's still zoning which can be hard for Swampy, hence 5-5

EDIT: In short, Ivy is more like a 5.5-4.5, forgot to mention Canary's lvl 2 trait helps a shit ton for this MU to supplement her meh neutral. It can be a huge problem for Swampy if used correctly. Starfire just has OKAY zoning.
 
xKhaoTik

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
CrazyFingers said:
Ivy is super close to being a winning MU for Swamp Thing the only issue being it's hard to come back after getting thrown full screen and going into the trait blender. It's super momentum based whoever has the life lead tends to keep it.

Canary is one of those things where yea in the neutral she gets beat but she hits you once and it's like "lul neutral what?" again, pretty swingy matchup which is why i say 5-5.

Starfire is a ton of patience and one good read. Stardust has absurd recovery and that's the key to the MU if you read (if your reactions are good enough you can react) Startdust you can MB Roll in or MB DB3 and get right in her face for a punish. He kind of fucks her on knockdown. Her upclose game is pretty easy to handle. Oh and you can whiff punish trait from stupid ranges. But it's still zoning which can be hard for Swampy, hence 5-5

EDIT: In short, Ivy is more like a 5.5-4.5, forgot to mention Canary's lvl 2 trait helps a shit ton for this MU to supplement her meh neutral. It can be a huge problem for Swampy if used correctly. Starfire just has OKAY zoning.
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Well if Ivy loses, that’s another bad MU for her and more of a reason for her to be buffed lol
 
tafka Djinn

tafka Djinn

One for three off the roof
I'm going to disagree with you on that Flash MU, and say we have the advantage, at the least I would compromise with a 4.5-5.5, but honestly I do feel we vape that naysh at 4-6. If you think Canary doesn't care about neutral once she's in, I just don't see how you can't say the same and more about Flash.
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Skedar70 said:
Flash is a losing mu. He stuffs swamps wake ups free so forces him to hold his pressure and 50\50 on oki. I have no idea why someone would consider this a winning or even mu
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tafka Djinn said:
I'm going to disagree with you on that Flash MU, and say we have the advantage, at the least I would compromise with a 4.5-5.5, but honestly I do feel we vape that naysh at 4-6. If you think Canary doesn't care about neutral once she's in, I just don't see how you can't say the same and more about Flash.
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Wait so people have this opinion now? we actually opening our eyes? I wanted to let it ride out see how things went, I lowkey had this opinion already xD
 
RNLDRGN

RNLDRGN

RONALD ROGAN
We've talked about this plenty but my $0.02.....

CrazyFingers said:
Character: Swamp Thing-Character
Aquaman: 6-4, Even at best. No way Swamp "wins" this MU.

Atrocitus: 5-5 (MAYBE 6-4)

Bane: 4-6

Batman: 3-7

Black Adam: 6-4 (maybe 5-5) Even at best.

Canary: 5-5 (Maybe 6-4) 6-4 Swamp's favor. One of the few I think he barely wins. His footsies and trait are so great in this MU, but yeah she wrecks him once she's in--kinda her design in general.

Blue Beetle: 4-6

Brainiac: 4-6

Captain Cold: 4-6

Catwoman: 3-7

Cheetah: 5-5

Cybrog: 6-4 (Currently being looked into further) Even at best.

Darkseid: 5-5 (maybe a slight 4-6) Absolutely 4-6. I play this MU all the damn time.

Deadshot: 3-7

Fate: 5-5 (Maybe 6-4, controversial lol) Even at best. And I mean you are killing it and the Fate is playing meh.

Firestorm: 5-5 Swamp loses 4-6. Firestorm's zoning is too strong and while his J2 is pretty oppressive in this MU, Firestorm also gets some escape luxuries to outspace Swampy and run away with air psycho crusher. Nitti and I have run this a pretty good bit and he loses, but it's not hopeless.

Flash: 4-6 Either Swamp barely wins 6-4 or its even. Trait is so good in this MU and while Flash will absolutely obliterate you once he gets in or holds you in the corner, Swamp can keep him out really well. This is an interesting one.

Gorilla Grodd: 4-6 Even, 5-5.

Green Arrow: 4-6 (MAYBE 3-7, this one's rough)

Green Lantern: 4-6 Might be close to even, but i can see GL winning slighly.

Harley Quinn: 4-6 Probably closer to 3-7. Her zoning and mobility are SO good vs him.

Joker: 5-5 (6-4 maybe) Joker wins 4-6. His zoning is incredibly effective in this MU. I've run this set a lot and it is very brutal once the Joker knows the MU.

Ivy: 5-5

Red Hood: 4-6

Robin: 4-6

Scarecrow: 5-5

Starfire: 5-5 Starfire zones him so easily. 4-6.

Sub-Zero: 5-5

Supergirl: 5-5

Superman: 4-6 (Tempted to say 3-7, this one is gross)

Wonder Woman: Very slight 4-6


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Discuss, enjoy.
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I think this is pretty accurate, but I also think you undersell some of his better MU's (Canary and Flash) and oversell some ones where he gets zoned to death (Darkseid, Joker, Fate, Starfire, etc.) You have to play so perfectly and patiently in those MUs to stand a chance that suggesting it is even just because it's technically doable doesn't make sense to me.


His worst MUs IMO are Bats, Supes, Catwoman, Harley, and Deadshot. Some of the most common characters you'll see in any tournament. THAT's why he's shit tier guys. It's not because he can't play the game (he can)--it's just incredibly easy to counterpick him, one of my main complaints with Injustice in general.
 
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