Question - Hellfire Can you be a good Hellfire player without FBC?

[Invincible Salads]

Fuck safe, it's +1. Sure nothing is guaranteed, but they have to poke you if they want a turn. Block the poke and take another turn.

Other Scorpion variations have to waste bar on B3 EX spear or be unsafe.

b3 is still +1? i thought he lost some + frames from his pressure...wouldnt it be -1 now?

but yea i won't lie, too many people underutilized b12, its a mid string and strings like 123 fbc left you +8 or +9.

 

[P3irce]

For OP if you did want to keep practicing fbc's go into practice and set the energy to infinite and just do reptitions on a blocked opponent. Once you get that consistent swap sides and continue until comfortable. After that start working on doing confirms from fbc's. It definitely will take you a while to really get it down but once you pick it up it'll become natural in no time

 

[Karma]

So on block or hit run cancels can only be done once with any run cancel character right?

No, i believe high tech can still run cancel twice and frame trap safely.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

No, i believe high tech can still run cancel twice and frame trap safely.

Ah ok, but she's the only one I assume? What I'm trying to ask is scorpion, like every other run cancel character, except for high tech, can only run cancel once on hit or block right?

 

[Karma]

Ah ok, but she's the only one I assume? What I'm trying to ask is scorpion, like every other run cancel character, except for high tech, can only run cancel once on hit or block right?

Yes, Scorpion can still run-cancel twice. I tested it out.

 

[Tanno]

Except sonic fox of course

AND @K-TOPGr . He's a very good player and can do any RC without fail. He played against me with his Scorpion and did beat me. I played some sets with him and I noticed his level of playing. If someday K-Top plays against Sonicfox, I'm sure that he will beat Sonic Fox with his own skills. This fella is so fast, so fast that he won't let you breath an instant.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Yes, Scorpion can still run-cancel twice. I tested it out.

That's what I didn't understand, everyone's saying that due to the stamina nerfs every run cancel character can only run cancel once but in training im able to run cancel twice as hellfire so I was confused.

 

[Tanno]

That's what I didn't understand, everyone's saying that due to the stamina nerfs every run cancel character can only run cancel once but in training im able to run cancel twice as hellfire so I was confused.

I think that it's about how much the stamina costs per RC. Raiden got nerfed, because he has a longer RC stamina cost. It's not the same with Scorpion and Liu Kang. You should ask those who know off by heart those RCs, like K-Top. :/

 

[Xzyj]

"2 run cancels are still possible i tested it" comments hurt my soul
I'm gonna say 1 thing - run cancel and dash cancel are different things.

 

[Tanno]

"2 run cancels are still possible i tested it" comments hurt my soul
I'm gonna say 1 thing - run cancel and dash cancel are different things.

Dash cancel is like simple Dash and doesn't give you time to do the next thing. Run Cancel with hellish training gives you slight time to do the next thing.

So, don't the fuck give up. Train, train, train and you might get to see the fruition of this training of yours into actual gameplay.

 

[Xzyj]

Dash cancel is like simple Dash and doesn't give you time to do the next thing. Run Cancel with hellish training gives you slight time to do the next thing.

So, don't the fuck give up. Train, train, train and you might get to see the fruition of this training of yours into actual gameplay.

what are you even talking about, oh god

 

[Tanno]

what are you even talking about, oh god

If it does hurt your soul, then I think that you aren't even a good player, IMO.

BTW, there's no god.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

"2 run cancels are still possible i tested it" comments hurt my soul
I'm gonna say 1 thing - run cancel and dash cancel are different things.

I'm pretty sure I've RAN canceled and not dashed canceled twice on the same combo with scorpion. I did it multiple times so if anyone can verify that it's still possible please confirm. Or de-confirm.

 

[llabslb]

Play any character you play optimally, don't be lazy and not bother learning something .

 

[LaidbackOne]

You can't be a good character X player if you don't use all of his/her tools.

 

[Xzyj]

I'm pretty sure I've RAN canceled and not dashed canceled twice on the same combo with scorpion. I did it multiple times so if anyone can verify that it's still possible please confirm. Or de-confirm.

it is not possible due to 1 simple reason, stamina cost to initiate run - 25, stamina cost to cancel fireball - 25.
Basicly when you initiate FBRC, you lose 50 stamina, if you do next one perfectly or not - it will not cancel by running because there is stamina check before you cancel your fireball, and if you don't have 75 stamina or more, it would'nt allow you to cancel into RUN because you will not have 1 full bar of stamina to initiate the run, and instead you will get a DASH.

You can runcancel twice only in 1 scenario, where first run cancel will be on block, and second one will be on hit after some time when your stamina will recover. Doing 214 FBRC 214 is NOT run cancelling twice. Pre patch you could do 214 FBRC 214 FBRC 214

And before the patch, initiating run and cancelling your special was 15/15 stamina instead of 25/25 right now, so doing 2 run cancels only required you to not fuck up 5 frame window (from 70 to 65 stamina), because you would need 15 stamina to cancel your special before it touches your second bar of stamina - so you can initiate the run.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

it is not possible due to 1 simple reason, stamina cost to initiate run - 25, stamina cost to cancel fireball - 25.
Basicly when you initiate FBRC, you lose 50 stamina, if you do next one perfectly or not - it will not cancel by running because there is stamina check before you cancel your fireball, and if you don't have 75 stamina or more, it would'nt allow you to cancel into RUN because you will not have 1 full bar of stamina to initiate the run, and instead you will get a DASH.

You can runcancel twice only in 1 scenario, where first run cancel will be on block, and second one will be on hit after some time when your stamina will recover. Doing 214 FBRC 214 is NOT run cancelling twice. Pre patch you could do 214 FBRC 214 FBRC 214

And before the patch, initiating run and cancelling your special was 15/15 stamina instead of 25/25 right now, so doing 2 run cancels only required you to not fuck up 5 frame window (from 70 to 65 stamina), because you would need 15 stamina to cancel your special before it touches your second bar of stamina - so you can initiate the run.

Ah ok, thanks for clearing this up. I could have sworn I was in training and did 214fbrc214FBRC. So is this for every character that has a run cancel or just for scorpion?

 

[Tanno]

Ah ok, thanks for clearing this up. I could have sworn I was in training and did 214fbrc214FBRC. So is this for every character that has a run cancel or just for scorpion?

For all the RC exclusive characters (Raiden, Liu Kang, etc) it is this. :/

 

[Xzyj]

Ah ok, thanks for clearing this up. I could have sworn I was in training and did 214fbrc214FBRC. So is this for every character that has a run cancel or just for scorpion?

This change is general, so i would assume every run-cancel character is like this right now, tho tested only scorpion. But some characters cancel their specials with DD instead of run, i believe they can still do 2 cancels, each of which will drain 1 bar of stamina. (Tremor, Predator HQT, Tanya)