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Black Canary Match-Up Discussion

There really should be a thread dedicated to her D3... I see it praised in this forum a lot. And would love to see examples of it in action.
 
Thoughts vs Harley?

It seems like the only move BC can punish is tantram stance. If Harley cartwheels, BC can 11 into close canary drop. If Harley doesn't attack after, BC can b1 into canary drop as well if she tries to roll back.

Even if she slightly delays her cartwheel if you realize she's not instantly going into cartwheel and b1 fast enough, there's nothing she can do as your b1 comes out faster than any of he options.

But yea, any other method of doing damage on her seems like hard reads/guesses to me. And any wrong guess and you get her b2 into tantrum combo.
 

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Thoughts vs Harley?

It seems like the only move BC can punish is tantram stance. If Harley cartwheels, BC can 11 into close canary drop. If Harley doesn't attack after, BC can b1 into canary drop as well if she tries to roll back.

Even if she slightly delays her cartwheel if you realize she's not instantly going into cartwheel and b1 fast enough, there's nothing she can do as your b1 comes out faster than any of he options.

But yea, any other method of doing damage on her seems like hard reads/guesses to me. And any wrong guess and you get her b2 into tantrum combo.
She loses to Harley.
 

Decay

King of the Bill
Please explain since you're probably the only swamp thing player ever lol.
Well, she has no footsies to deal with swamp things footsies, so essentially he can react to anything she does with a good normal and wreck her. She can punish a vine grab with scream but he never has to throw it out there, it's too risky. Her mixups are mostly reactible with the only hard to block being the canary drop. His low log at a far range blows up her cartwheel because of how active it is, and she can't punish it with scream, so she has to hold the chip or trade with scream. also he destroys all her main jump in/cartwheel mixups with wakeup db2. The only thing she really has an upper hand on is her damage when she blocks a punishable move of his and the parry between big gaps. She doesn't have an anti air good enough to deal with his jump 2 or 3 as well. I think it's hard for canary to make a move and get in without doing something super risky
 

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gotta take it to make it
Well, she has no footsies to deal with swamp things footsies, so essentially he can react to anything she does with a good normal and wreck her. She can punish a vine grab with scream but he never has to throw it out there, it's too risky. Her mixups are mostly reactible with the only hard to block being the canary drop. His low log at a far range blows up her cartwheel because of how active it is, and she can't punish it with scream, so she has to hold the chip or trade with scream. also he destroys all her main jump in/cartwheel mixups with wakeup db2. The only thing she really has an upper hand on is her damage when she blocks a punishable move of his and the parry between big gaps. She doesn't have an anti air good enough to deal with his jump 2 or 3 as well. I think it's hard for canary to make a move and get in without doing something super risky
Oh yeah Decay we still need to play since it never happened at CEO rofl. Still need to mirror Amanda too.
 

Decay

King of the Bill
Oh yeah Decay we still need to play since it never happened at CEO rofl. Still need to mirror Amanda too.
I haven't lost to a Canary more than like 1 match to every 5 i win. Ive fought quite a few so far, but yeah we do need to play soon. At SJ we should play since offline is best way to grind a matchup
 

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Well, she has no footsies to deal with swamp things footsies, so essentially he can react to anything she does with a good normal and wreck her. She can punish a vine grab with scream but he never has to throw it out there, it's too risky. Her mixups are mostly reactible with the only hard to block being the canary drop. His low log at a far range blows up her cartwheel because of how active it is, and she can't punish it with scream, so she has to hold the chip or trade with scream. also he destroys all her main jump in/cartwheel mixups with wakeup db2. The only thing she really has an upper hand on is her damage when she blocks a punishable move of his and the parry between big gaps. She doesn't have an anti air good enough to deal with his jump 2 or 3 as well. I think it's hard for canary to make a move and get in without doing something super risky
That's interesting indeed. I don't think i will ever play a swamp thing at least right now so i can't really make a comment haha. It would be pretty weird if she did lose though
 

Take$$$

gotta take it to make it
I haven't lost to a Canary more than like 1 match to every 5 i win. Ive fought quite a few so far, but yeah we do need to play soon. At SJ we should play since offline is best way to grind a matchup
I haven't played a Swamp Thing at all because Mike is a ghost, and we just party too much at events to have time to keep promises over games/sets lmao. Sucks that SJ feels so far, but I'm down whenever you are.
 
Let's do this boys and girls. It's time we start fleshing out her MUs and what we think so far. Things are subject to change so let's discuss in a civil manner and please give reasons on why you think she loses or wins the matchups you post. Here we go!


Here's mine far from who I've played against. Not adding actual numbers rn cus I'm not really sure how definitve thinks just based off sets I've played against them w good players.

Bad
Aquaman- His trait basically counters her in every way. He out ranges her and matches her damage.

Batman- J2 and bats zoning is tough. Add the pressure he can have up close and it gets better for him.

Deadhsot-Obviously his zoning, but the real issue is when getting in his b1 and b2 can match her 50/50 shenanigans but the difference is he's safe and generally she is not

Dr. Fate-zones her out pretty well. She can D3 his mid ball for low profile, but he can still do his bf1. He also has the ank zoning as well. You can get in, but you'll have to deal with his push as well.

Harley Quinn- Her zoning,overall space control with her j2, and her trait keeps canary on her heels. Harley can handle her pretty well when played correctly.


Even
Superman(Possible favored for him)- She can deal with his zoning somewhat, but his f23 really gives her problems in neutral. But as i said before about fate, she can also d3 supes F23 and low profile it with b12.

Atrocitus- This feels like it comes down to who starts their offense first and keeps it going. Making smart reads and applying the mindgames w each other can def call the set between these two.


Winning
Darkseid- Here is a zoner she can manage well. She can flip through his laser pretty easily. He has the other ones but they don't give her that much of a hard time. She can easily get in and stay in. His buttons up close are inferior to hers imo and i personally never had an issue w darkseid and I've played tonssss of good ones.

Supergirl-She out damages her and keeps the meter advantage most of the time. Her lasers aren't too much of an issue since she can flip though them and her 6f S1 punishes all of her unsafe moves save for a well spaced breath. This one is a heavily debated one, but for now I feel it's in Canarys favor. I usually don't care if supergirl touches me 2-3 times because she doesn't hurt much at all. 2 combos from canary and Superbae is dead. #buffsupergirl

Swamp Thing- Admittedly I have not played a ton of Swamp boys but man if feels terrible for them when I did. She's faster, does more damage, and his offense again isn't really scary for her. Lvl 3 scream punishes the vine grab fullscreen as well


That's from who I've played so far. If you have your own feelings please share and let's talk about this together
I wasn't aware that Black Canary could flip through projectiles
 
Serious question: How does one beat Superman?

I was beating this guy online with many of his characters until he switched to Supes. I never fought one before, but it seems like almost everything he does is safe if they're playing right. It was very difficult to find an opening.
 

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Serious question: How does one beat Superman?

I was beating this guy online with many of his characters until he switched to Supes. I never fought one before, but it seems like almost everything he does is safe if they're playing right. It was very difficult to find an opening.
It's a tough one. I feel like it's even most of the time cus she can parry f23 and low profile it with d3. Plus his wakeup game can easily be punished by her as well. Getting in can me problematic if they're good at zoning but lvl 3 cry shuts down air laser unless they do it instant. They're pretty even in the damage department though
 
It's a tough one. I feel like it's even most of the time cus she can parry f23 and low profile it with d3. Plus his wakeup game can easily be punished by her as well. Getting in can me problematic if they're good at zoning but lvl 3 cry shuts down air laser unless they do it instant. They're pretty even in the damage department though
Thanks. Open to more tips too from anyone else please.

I'm gonna have to do some serious labing with this guy when I get time. I don't use D3 as much as I should. So I could use it in between f23's and there's nothing he can do to punish?
 

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Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
Thanks. Open to more tips too from anyone else please.

I'm gonna have to do some serious labing with this guy when I get time. I don't use D3 as much as I should. So I could use it in between f23's and there's nothing he can do to punish?
Yeah so if he does f23 xx trait f23 you can d3 the second f23 attempt. Same goes for f23 breath into another f23. You can d3 it in neutral too if you think he will throw it out
 

9_Lives

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I was playing a Scarecrow today and I plan to look harder at it later, but how are you guys dealing with his j3/J2? Just mbb3 or waiting until lvl 3? I feel like d3 doesn't work well on ji3, but maybe a timing thing? If you guys don't have feels about it off the top of your head I will check it out on Monday when I have some time.