Question - Ninjitsu Best combo off b4 and s3?

[TyCarter35]

Ever since b4 was able to special cancel and s3 is 7 frames since the start of XL. What's the most damaging combo/practical combo off b4 and s3 as punishes/starters?

 

[Eddy Wang]

Those normals are better used with ex teleport, the filler is just the same, count ex teleport as the launcher.

ex tele, b2, b2, njp, jk~tp, 21~spear, crossup, J2, s3~tp, s4

 

[OutworldKeith]

Ever since b4 was able to special cancel and s3 is 7 frames since the start of XL. What's the most damaging combo/practical combo off b4 and s3 as punishes/starters?

Again, Eddy beat me to the punch. Everything he said is correct. However, I want to add S3 as a an anti-air punisher should used regular TP.

 

[Ze Dingo]

No bar:

B4/S3 ~spear, cross up jp2 F2, B2, B2, B2, jk~Tele, 212

What @Eddy Wang said for 1 bar.

 

[Invincible Salads]

honestly b4 to me soley seems like just a tool for anti wakeup, why worry about trying to get a combo off it instead of b3? also i think ending in 214 after the final teleport is good sometimes because if they don't armor it, your plus 2 with a lot of pushback and the ideal distance you wanna be at with ninjutsu.

 

[TyCarter35]

honestly b4 to me soley seems like just a tool for anti wakeup, why worry about trying to get a combo off it instead of b3? also i think ending in 214 after the final teleport is good sometimes because if they don't armor it, your plus 2 with a lot of pushback and the ideal distance you wanna be at with ninjutsu.

Well the thing is for a low, at least for me, b3 doesn't seem to be that good of a low combo starter. Again I was wondering what people have in mind for a b4/s3

 

[ILuvFightGames]

No bar:

B4/S3 ~spear, cross up jp2 F2, B2, B2, B2, jk~Tele, 212

What @Eddy Wang said for 1 bar.

So standing 3 can link to spear? I mean if the s3 connects then can you combo into the spear? And is this only for the ninjutsu variation?

 

[TyCarter35]

So standing 3 can link to spear? I mean if the s3 connects then can you combo into the spear? And is this only for the ninjutsu variation?

I'm pretty sure it's universal for all 3 variations

 

[ILuvFightGames]

I'm pretty sure it's universal for all 3 variations

Ah ok thanks, I also wanted to know if b3 could link into a spear?

 

[Mitsuownes]

Ah ok thanks, I also wanted to know if b3 could link into a spear?

Yes, also in all variations.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Yes, also in all variations.

Awesome thanks bro!

 

[Ze Dingo]

Wouldn't recommend using either in neutral.

S3~spear for punishes and B3~spear only if I'm absolutely sure that my opponent is stand blocking. Personally, I just go for B32F2 to stay safer. Ideally, you don't just give away your frame advantage, but you'll have to take moderate risks sometimes.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Wouldn't recommend using either in neutral.

S3~spear for punishes and B3~spear only if I'm absolutely sure that my opponent is stand blocking. Personally, I just go for B32F2 to stay safer. Ideally, you don't just give away your frame advantage, but you'll have to take moderate risks sometimes.

B32F2 is not that safe on block though.

 

[InFlames]

honestly b4 to me soley seems like just a tool for anti wakeup, why worry about trying to get a combo off it instead of b3? also i think ending in 214 after the final teleport is good sometimes because if they don't armor it, your plus 2 with a lot of pushback and the ideal distance you wanna be at with ninjutsu.

iirc b4 has more cancel advantage than b3. b4xxEX Spear has no gap anywhere unlike b3xxEX Spear

 

[Ze Dingo]

B32F2 is not that safe on block though.

Which is why I wrote "safer" and not "safe"

 

[TyCarter35]

Wouldn't recommend using either in neutral.

S3~spear for punishes and B3~spear only if I'm absolutely sure that my opponent is stand blocking. Personally, I just go for B32F2 to stay safer. Ideally, you don't just give away your frame advantage, but you'll have to take moderate risks sometimes.

212 and 214 is better in neutral as both are -4 and +2 on block, b4 is not bad of an option as its also -4 on block which is safe

 

[Ze Dingo]

Erm, I meant B3/B4~spear in neutral. I think it's a bad idea to just throw it out like that.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Erm, I meant B3/B4~spear in neutral. I think it's a bad idea to just throw it out like that.

Ah ok, so what's the best combo starter? I mean I play hellfire but was curious if you had any input on that? Like what I mean is if you're scorpion and you want to run and start a combo what's the best starter? Also maybe it'll be the same but what's scorpions best punish?

 

[Ze Dingo]

If you want to run up and do a starter, it's either 114 or 214 confirmed into a teleport, the odds of getting armoured are a little low. His best punish is definitely S3~FBRC~F4~flame aura starter.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

If you want to run up and do a starter, it's either 114 or 214 confirmed into a teleport, the odds of getting armoured are a little low. His best punish is definitely S3~FBRC~F4~flame aura starter.

That's exactly what I wanted to know, thanks bro.,

 

[Ze Dingo]

Bear in mind neither 114 nor 214 are risk free. Thankfully, both strings are advantage on block when staggered, so use it to get a read on what your opponent wants to do.

I'd also highly recommend learning the B12~FBRC~214 link. It's a really good hitconfirm but is a very strict link.