The mu vs cheetah is slightly better than it was from laumch but still a 7-3 or 6-4 mu. All bats has to do is up batarang, zone and then whenshe gets close mb fkn batarang into full combo its annoying to fight especially since cheetah has no real forward advancing normals to challange footsies/neutral. I feel cyborg does better but its just a build meter until he gets bats or gets close then immediately push block reset neutral and begin zoning and building meter for next encounter. His trait def needs nerfing
Nooooo ponkster y u betray cheetah! Im uberly sad lol
Because he's not? He's asking for bats to not charge while active.
He isn’t, Batman would only have one bat when the game starts and the bats only charge if Batman doesn’t have trait activated. So he not only wouldn’t start with 3 bats, he wouldn’t get back to back trait in any circumstance.
If you ask me, Batman keeping trait and patiently waiting for you to be overzealous is what makes him top tier.
It's not that big of a deal, the cancel advantage on that string is pretty bad. If Batman cancels 223 on block into trait it's actually like -10.
Fair enough
I'm talking about his overhead pound which is -3 n -1 respectively unless your on hit why would you use his PUNISHABLE specials just like Batman 123, slide, you'd only use them on hitconfirm...
Because it's king and people in this community are sheep when it comes to top players voicing opinions
Obviously if nrs did these needs they'd pick only one option of him starting with one bat (buff) because while now he can get that one bat to start round he already has a bat ready after wards... or recharging(nerf)
The recharge nerf will make Batman mid tier.And then you’ll only have more Deadshot’s which have no counter picks or more Supergirl patience fests, add any other top tier if you want to.
Exactly
I moslty agree, but I wouldn't know about Supergirl honestly.
She has no counter picks in a game of counter picks and trait lasers would be the best in game projectile if they didn’t have recharge time.The list goes on not to mention the BEST in game d1 that can PUNISH SPECIFIC CHARACTERS’ COUNTERPOKE ATTEMPTS.That d1 is (soap bar in mouth).
Should we be downplaying and demanding a major buff then?
I just don't understand why Batman is still discussed like that, it's obvious he needs a nerf.
You are looking from Grodd’s perspective and Batman sodomises him.However, most of his match-up chart is filled with 5-5 and a nearly equal amount of winning match-ups and counter picks.
I play Batman because I like his plus frames, staggers and pressure.Which is also why I dislike shooting x100 bullets from full screen without thought and simultaneously not play Deadshot at all.
Batman vs Grodd is terrible I admit, not unplayable, but harsh. What I don't like is any character having something super good for almost zero amount of execution which is likely Batman's case. I need to do high execution cancels to stay safe, he gets plus frames for nothing. Those who say he'll go bottom tier with a nerf are no subject to me. As I said before, I don't give a single fuck about counter-picking anybody or my MU being 10-0 but make people put some skill, effort and time into characters. Batman is a goofy ass character, that's all I can say.
At high level, the mix-ups go beyond just jumping and plus frames.First you start mixing throws against blocking, then you start jumping since they’ll try to tech throws and more ways to open people up etc.
What's your point? ^^
You can go pretty deep with Batman pressure and it can get very oppressive in a few reads done right.