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Batman: Arkham Knight - Discussion Thread - Coming June 23, 2015

Amplified$hotz

I like Tekken 8
I think Origins is a great game, definitely worth playing. Story was good, voice acting was great, Joker scenes were incredible. I really enjoyed playing through it and don't get the bad reputation it got.
Arkham Origins got the Injustice treatment.
Arkham Asylum to Arkham City was a HUGE jump with a lot of innovation. Arkham city to origins wasn't that much of a change and and the story mode wasn't as good as it could have been.

TL;DR Arkham Origins wasn't allowed to live because it wasn't as good(or better) than Arkham City.
 

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
Arkham Origins got the Injustice treatment.
Arkham Asylum to Arkham City was a HUGE jump with a lot of innovation. Arkham city to origins wasn't that much of a change and and the story mode wasn't as good as it could have been.

TL;DR Arkham Origins wasn't allowed to live because it wasn't as good(or better) than Arkham City.
I treated it more as a City DLC than a stand alone game. Helped me enjoy it more.
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
Arkham Origins got the Injustice treatment.
Arkham Asylum to Arkham City was a HUGE jump with a lot of innovation. Arkham city to origins wasn't that much of a change and and the story mode wasn't as good as it could have been.

TL;DR Arkham Origins wasn't allowed to live because it wasn't as good(or better) than Arkham City.
I think this is the main problem. This is what I've seen a lot of people say about it. But I don't see why people wanted a big change from City, it was an absolutely great game, it didn't need much changing. I don't see that as a negative thing.

Saying one story is better than the other is subjective, I personally preferred Origin's story.
 

Amplified$hotz

I like Tekken 8
I think this is the main problem. This is what I've seen a lot of people say about it. But I don't see why people wanted a big change from City, it was an absolutely great game, it didn't need much changing. I don't see that as a negative thing.

Saying one story is better than the other is subjective, I personally preferred Origin's story.
Probably because the prior games had a HUGE change. They probably expected it to be like what Arkham Night is now.
And I didn't mean the story mode wasn't better I just heard complaints of people pissed that they brought joker back(petty people) , boss fights weren't as good as they could have been, etc.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
Origins didn't innovate at all. It was a waste of time and money for everyone involves.

Edit: I will grant that it had a pretty baller soundtrack
 
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SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
Probably because the prior games had a HUGE change. They probably expected it to be like what Arkham Night is now.
And I didn't mean the story mode wasn't better I just heard complaints of people pissed that they brought joker back(petty people) , boss fights weren't as good as they could have been, etc.
Yeah I get that, but I would argue that the change from Asylum to City was needed. Asylum was a great game in its own right, but was the foundations for building an even better game. I'd say that there wasn't a need for there to be as big a jump between City and Origins. As for people complaining about bringing Joker back, it's a prequel set before City, so of course Joker is going to be in it and Joker's origin segment was great.

I'm not saying Origins was a fantastic game, but it certainly is not a "waste of time" as many people say. I found it enjoyable and thought it had a great story. I have no doubt that Knight will be better though and will be the game people were expecting after City like you said.
 

TKB

Warrior
I've tried to play Arkham Asylum a couple times and for some reason it bored me really quickly... I've watched a friend play both games and they look fun I just couldn't sit down and play them :( that trailer is making it look really good though so I think I need to try it again.
 

Amplified$hotz

I like Tekken 8
I've tried to play Arkham Asylum a couple times and for some reason it bored me really quickly... I've watched a friend play both games and they look fun I just couldn't sit down and play them :( that trailer is making it look really good though so I think I need to try it again.
Yeah I tried to play asylum after city and couldn't.
 

Hexin_Wishes

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I think this is the main problem. This is what I've seen a lot of people say about it. But I don't see why people wanted a big change from City, it was an absolutely great game, it didn't need much changing. I don't see that as a negative thing.
I don't see how you don't understand why a lack of innovation is a bad thing? If I wanted to play Arkham City again (which I don't because I hated it compared to Asylum and felt it was overrated) then I'd pop that disk in. I stayed away from Origins but I did see the cutscenes. The voice acting bothered me as did it not being by rocksteady.
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
I don't see how you don't understand why a lack of innovation is a bad thing? If I wanted to play Arkham City again (which I don't because I hated it compared to Asylum and felt it was overrated) then I'd pop that disk in. I stayed away from Origins but I did see the cutscenes. The voice acting bothered me as did it not being by rocksteady.
I understand it as a criticism, but I do not think it warrants the game being a "bad game".
Origins was basically City (a game most people love, but I understand if it's not your cup of tea) but with a new story and a few new features. My point is, that if people played Origins without having played City, they'd have no reason to hate it based on the usual argument.
I play the Arkham games mainly for the story and I thought Origin had a great story.
 

TKB

Warrior
I understand it as a criticism, but I do not think it warrants the game being a "bad game".
Origins was basically City (a game most people love, but I understand if it's not your cup of tea) but with a new story and a few new features. My point is, that if people played Origins without having played City, they'd have no reason to hate it based on the usual argument.
I play the Arkham games mainly for the story and I thought Origin had a great story.
My same friend that I watched play Arkham Asylum and City summed up Origins for me by saying "it feels like all the ideas that were left out of Arkham City just sort-of stirred together to squeeze an extra game out of the franchise". I've never played it so I can't pass judgement, just curious because everyone seems to bash the game.
 

Hexin_Wishes

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I understand it as a criticism, but I do not think it warrants the game being a "bad game".
I don't think I've seen it referred to as a "bad game" overall, just as the worst of the Arkham series. Which isn't too bad of a reputation since Asylum was amazing and City was great (though I still hated it for specific reasons).
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
I don't think I've seen it referred to as a "bad game" overall, just as the worst of the Arkham series. Which isn't too bad of a reputation since Asylum was amazing and City was great (though I still hated it for specific reasons).
In this thread people have said Origins "isn't worth playing" and is a waste of time.

My same friend that I watched play Arkham Asylum and City summed up Origins for me by saying "it feels like all the ideas that were left out of Arkham City just sort-of stirred together to squeeze an extra game out of the franchise". I've never played it so I can't pass judgement, just curious because everyone seems to bash the game.
Yeah, I can see what he means, and it's the same criticism that a lot of people have given it, which is that it didn't differentiate itself enough from City to be warranted a different game.
But I personally think that the story is great. I would certainly suggest playing it if you like Batman and Batman stories.
 
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EMP Dark

Noob
I really don't know why everyone bashes on Origins saying it's a bad game just because it wasn't better than Asylum and City. I mean what did y'all really expect? It's a prequel game to Asylum it was never supposed to be a better game than Asylum or City. But it still was a very good game nonetheless. Anyways I'm definitely hype for Arkham Knight it looks hands down to be the best game of the series.
 

Barrogh

Meta saltmine
I really don't know why everyone bashes on Origins saying it's a bad game just because it wasn't better than Asylum and City. I mean what did y'all really expect?
What really turned people away is game quality at launch. I've bought it like a year later and by then it was definitely playable, although you could still run into bugs and visual glitches you'd never see in previous game.
Game itself wasn't really bad. Some things could be better, but that's it. I'd say it would've been better if it was lighter on recycled mech. While "same but better" approach works for core game, I couldn't get rid of thoughts like "oh well, obligatory mind screw scene, check; obligatory bullfight boss... twice... check; obligatory takedown exam boss, present; "dodge shit, throw shit back" boss, well; Al Ghul fight remastered, ok...". That is not to say that those were bad for what they were, mostly. But really felt too much like something you already did before. Investigation minigame became better, but IMO it could be less streamlined... Etc, etc.
Overall, it's not the problem with the game itself, but one should consider what it was for those who have played like 60+ hours of previous instalments - just not an improvement enough to justify spending more time on it than it takes to beat the game once.

Story felt different. It was a bit darker this time, a bit different and so interesting to follow. On the other hand, I feel that it lacks more consistent flow and solid interweaving of subplots of City's story. I guess it's inevitable when you bring so many different characters and try to fit them in a single story. Just sometimes it feels like participants are introduced through "suddenly, ninjas!" (sometimes literally, lol), and then they don't really interact a lot afterwards.

With all that said, maybe it's just me playing same game and expecting it to be something different :p
For the record, I played Asylum after City, and honestly it just hammered home the point of how frustrating and redundant some things in Asylum were and how they needed to go (and did in the City). Locked camera angles, throw mechanics, lack of convenient controls for remote batarang, no quickfire... Never again.

And Wouldn't batman getting killed bring the heat of the justice league on whoever did it? Same reason Flash's villains never kill him.
While game alludes to some members of it (through things like posters advertising Zatanna's shows or crates marked as produced by whatever Ollie's company name is), I don't think JL is ever mentioned directly in the series and the game does quite good job of not making entire thing a joke by introducing more "broken" DC characters. It's just different kind of story, and it's a strong point of Arkhamverse IMO - being somewhat more plausible and "realistic". Not quite Nolanverse, but not your average comic book cheesefest either.
 
My issue with Arkham Origins was actually the setting...

In Arkham Asylum, you're at the Asylum, and everyone is inmates, and therefore a viable enemy.
In Arkham City they basically turn the prison into an entire city, so while you are in a city everyone is still pretty much a criminal...

But In Arkham Origins, you are just running around Gotham on a holiday... What's to say the person who you glide slam into at 20mph from on top of a 40 story building was even a criminal to begin with?

I could never tell if Batman was fighting crime or just being a dick to homeless people.