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FL Rushdown

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Israel said:
Oh that yea, i just looked at it as a glitch. Nah that crap made everything stupid...not a real display of skill, just a glitch that should have never been in there. I like ds games but i just cant get good at them. Lol ill never understand how i can summon someone to help me...and they're a few levels before me, yet stronger than me in everyway. I just.....dont....get....it smh im trash


You can say it was successful...because nrs succeeded in their goal. Which was to water to water game ALLLL the way down so it can have easy accessibility. Adding in the heavy 50/50's (which i believe started in Injustice 1?) , and a run button. Bam, that shit was watered alll the way with those two changes. I put the game down...but im sure all the other childrens enjoyed being able to win alot. Same thing they did with SF5. All games r bad
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Multiple inputs in a fraction of a second that required pinpoint accuracy that also got you killed if you messed up(because you were forced to wait for the duration of the reload that you canceled before you could act again) didn't display skill? Come on man. There was nothing harder or more rewarding than successfully quad shotting someone in a clutch moment where missing a single headshot from your 12 shot burst meant instant death.

Most skill gap increasing tricks in games ARE glitches or unintended ways to play. Look at every fighting game OS ever.
 
Israel

Israel

Apprentice
FL Rushdown said:
Multiple inputs in a fraction of a second that required pinpoint accuracy that also got you killed if you messed up(because you were forced to wait for the duration of the reload that you canceled before you could act again) didn't display skill? Come on man. There was nothing harder or more rewarding than successfully quad shotting someone in a clutch moment where missing a single headshot from your 12 shot burst meant instant death.

Most skill gap increasing tricks in games ARE glitches or unintended ways to play. Look at every fighting game OS ever.
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hmm....Nope. That stuff was trash and shoulda never been in. Good thing all the unintended glitches were removed, cuz they were bad ;)
 
Roy Arkon

Roy Arkon

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Israel said:
Oh that yea, i just looked at it as a glitch. Nah that crap made everything stupid...not a real display of skill, just a glitch that should have never been in there. I like ds games but i just cant get good at them. Lol ill never understand how i can summon someone to help me...and they're a few levels before me, yet stronger than me in everyway. I just.....dont....get....it smh im trash


You can say it was successful...because nrs succeeded in their goal. Which was to water to water game ALLLL the way down so it can have easy accessibility. Adding in the heavy 50/50's (which i believe started in Injustice 1?) , and a run button. Bam, that shit was watered alll the way with those two changes. I put the game down...but im sure all the other childrens enjoyed being able to win alot. Same thing they did with SF5. All games r bad
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Mkx wasn't accessable to the point of children's play, it had characters like Nimble Reptile and D'Vorah who were very hard to use, and it wasn"t just 50/50 all the time. A kid wont be able to win 100 matches just by 50/50's alone, because they are just kids, and they gonna lose by the 3rd game tops. Unless of course you are telling me you just lost children all the time, that is how it sounds like.

@Shaka yes Mvci does look very bare bones right now, but we need to wait until the gsme comes out, although if Cspcom do drop the ball here they pretty much killed any shread of hope.
 
Shaka

Shaka

Tier Whore.
Roy Arkon said:
Mkx wasn't accessable to the point of children's play, it had characters like Nimble Reptile and D'Vorah who were very hard to use, and it wasn"t just 50/50 all the time. A kid wont be able to win 100 matches just by 50/50's alone, because they are just kids, and they gonna lose by the 3rd game tops. Unless of course you are telling me you just lost children all the time, that is how it sounds like.

@Shaka yes Mvci does look very bare bones right now, but we need to wait until the gsme comes out, although if Cspcom do drop the ball here they pretty much killed any shread of hope.
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Fanboys will blindly defend it as they did/do with SFV why Capcom doesn't bother to improve.
 
Israel

Israel

Apprentice
Roy Arkon said:
Mkx wasn't accessable to the point of children's play, it had characters like Nimble Reptile and D'Vorah who were very hard to use, and it wasn"t just 50/50 all the time. A kid wont be able to win 100 matches just by 50/50's alone, because they are just kids, and they gonna lose by the 3rd game tops. Unless of course you are telling me you just lost children all the time, that is how it sounds like.

@Shaka yes Mvci does look very bare bones right now, but we need to wait until the gsme comes out, although if Cspcom do drop the ball here they pretty much killed any shread of hope.
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But the fact that the childrens can win 2 out of those 3 games each time shows that they NRS succeeded their goal. Juggs basically explained the problem of it already in here. Which is what I said the problem was as well... Heavy 50/50's..and a run button.

This is basically what happened after MK9's last patch:
NRS - "MK9 is good, I know we could just add better graphics..cool new characters..new fatalites etc, and the fans would love it! But theres a problem...I don't like the fact that there are 7th grade boys and girls out there who aren't able to be on Reo/Perfect legend status over the course of 10 days. Let us grab a 3 gallon water pitcher and pour it on our game, (that only needs a few tweaks tbh), and make it to where everyone can be Reo/perfect legend with less work!"

Im sure all have seen this video. Proves that the gaming logic of "Lets make it more accessible while keeping our core fans happy" .... Isnt working out.

 
Roy Arkon

Roy Arkon

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Israel said:
But the fact that the childrens can win 2 out of those 3 games each time shows that they NRS succeeded their goal. Juggs basically explained the problem of it already in here. Which is what I said the problem was as well... Heavy 50/50's..and a run button.

This is basically what happened after MK9's last patch:
NRS - "MK9 is good, I know we could just add better graphics..cool new characters..new fatalites etc, and the fans would love it! But theres a problem...I don't like the fact that there are 7th grade boys and girls out there who aren't able to be on Reo/Perfect legend status over the course of 10 days. Let us grab a 3 gallon water pitcher and pour it on our game, (that only needs a few tweaks tbh), and make it to where everyone can be Reo/perfect legend with less work!"

Im sure all have seen this video. Proves that the gaming logic of "Lets make it more accessible while keeping our core fans happy" .... Isnt working out.

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This video doesn't prove anything regarding NRS, because while NRS games are accessabile they aren't accessable to the point of children's player lik3 I ssid before, and they got the sales because of the content, MK9 was more accessable then MKX and that sold because of the content there.. All of what's in this vid just genearl stuff and the only thing related to MK here is the mention of Fatalities. And I also explained to Juggs that MKX wasn't just 50/50's and it had enonugh Zoning and footsies and it had been proven over and over again.

And also, against who these kids can win 2 out of 3 games? Against pros players or even just people that are semi-experienced players? That's not gonna happen, if anything they are only gonna beat other kids or adults who dont play fighting games at all, and kids cqn do the same for Zoning and just go backwards and spam projectiles, but if they face an experienced player, they aren't gonna win. And

You just make stuff up just to please your ego for whatever reason. This argumet id done, period.
 
FL Rushdown

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Roy Arkon said:
This video doesn't prove anything regarding NRS, because while NRS games are accessabile they aren't accessable to the point of children's player lik3 I ssid before, and they got the sales because of the content, MK9 was more accessable then MKX and that sold because of the content there.. All of what's in this vid just genearl stuff and the only thing related to MK here is the mention of Fatalities. And I also explained to Juggs that MKX wasn't just 50/50's and it had enonugh Zoning and footsies and it had been proven over and over again.

And also, against who these kids can win 2 out of 3 games? Against pros players or even just people that are semi-experienced players? That's not gonna happen, if anything they are only gonna beat other kids or adults who dont play fighting games at all, and kids cqn do the same for Zoning and just go backwards and spam projectiles, but if they face an experienced player, they aren't gonna win. And

You just make stuff up just to please your ego for whatever reason. This argumet id done, period.
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Yeah gonna have to agree on the kids obviously can't beat competent players front. Even in sfv which is a super simplified fighting game a decent player will maul a new player 100 times in a row easily. I've been teaching a friend SF for like 2 months and he's been labbing every day and went from bronze to gold in a pretty short time, but vs me(not very good at the game) his record in lounges is like 2/350 when I use pocket chars. Fighting games, even the simplest ones still involve complex concepts that you can't just instantly learn.
 
Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
I hated SF4 for a lot of reasons. The heavy emphasis on option select stuff after hard knock downs and etc were annoying to me. Crouch teching was pretty annoying as well. I just never really got into the game much after vanilla.

I play SFV and like it more than 4 but I think the game has a ton of problems. The input lag, the incentive to fish for crush counters and the absurd comebacks with v trigger are a problem. It just makes the game more "guessy".

I also hate how moves have almost no active frames and wake up buttons are actually a lot better than ever. In a game that has 3 different wake up timings it can be really annoying to time meaty attacks, even with frame kills. It just makes the game more random.

I always liked playing Ryu and what they did to him in season 2 didn't do me any favors. I still play the game but sometimes I really feel I lose even when outplaying people. It's like I'm at a disadvantage with over 50% health because the other player has v trigger and meter.

I still play though and enjoy it more than most new fighting games. The fact that it has rollback netcode is probably the main reason. I hope we get something good for the 30th anniversary and maybe a solid update to SFV. I still think the game is fun.
 
Israel

Israel

Apprentice
Roy Arkon said:
This video doesn't prove anything regarding NRS, because while NRS games are accessabile they aren't accessable to the point of children's player lik3 I ssid before, and they got the sales because of the content, MK9 was more accessable then MKX and that sold because of the content there.. All of what's in this vid just genearl stuff and the only thing related to MK here is the mention of Fatalities. And I also explained to Juggs that MKX wasn't just 50/50's and it had enonugh Zoning and footsies and it had been proven over and over again.

And also, against who these kids can win 2 out of 3 games? Against pros players or even just people that are semi-experienced players? That's not gonna happen, if anything they are only gonna beat other kids or adults who dont play fighting games at all, and kids cqn do the same for Zoning and just go backwards and spam projectiles, but if they face an experienced player, they aren't gonna win. And

You just make stuff up just to please your ego for whatever reason. This argumet id done, period.
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Your right..when i say childrens, its just my over exaggerated expression of saying..'Everyone.' Hey if you liked MKX, you like it. I didnt..cuz it was dumb'd down..so i put it down.

The reason i posted the vid is to just show that ALL gaming companys, including NRS, has given in to the exact same mentality as other companys. Now as you saw the reactions of the top players in the capcom crew, thats how it is for all other games as well. When mkx dropped, you had some of the top players saying the same things about Mortal Kombat. Basically use the explaination of the video and swap it with Mortal Kombat and Mk players and thats the point im trying to make.
 
FL Rushdown

FL Rushdown

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Israel said:
Your right..when i say childrens, its just my over exaggerated expression of saying..'Everyone.' Hey if you liked MKX, you like it. I didnt..cuz it was dumb'd down..so i put it down.

The reason i posted the vid is to just show that ALL gaming companys, including NRS, has given in to the exact same mentality as other companys. Now as you saw the reactions of the top players in the capcom crew, thats how it is for all other games as well. When mkx dropped, you had some of the top players saying the same things about Mortal Kombat. Basically use the explaination of the video and swap it with Mortal Kombat and Mk players and thats the point im trying to make.
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Yeah you must be new to fighting games. This has been a thing for forever. I remember when the sf3 parry killed the competitive fighting game and was ridiculed as parry fighter, I remember when the focus attack killed footsies in 4, and I remember when sfv made the game so easy EVERYONE could win, but you know what? Funnily enough the same people keep winning no matter how dumb the game gets, it's almost like being the better player will always help you win. But hey, then we don't get to reminisce about our favorite old games that were super fucking busted but we just forgot.
 
Israel

Israel

Apprentice
FL Rushdown said:
Yeah you must be new to fighting games. This has been a thing for forever. I remember when the sf3 parry killed the competitive fighting game and was ridiculed as parry fighter, I remember when the focus attack killed footsies in 4, and I remember when sfv made the game so easy EVERYONE could win, but you know what? Funnily enough the same people keep winning no matter how dumb the game gets, it's almost like being the better player will always help you win. But hey, then we don't get to reminisce about our favorite old games that were super fucking busted but we just forgot.
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hm..did that happen in mkx? did the same..PL..reo...Cdjr (and crew)... and all the other names i cant remember...continue to win and dominate? Or are/did half of them drop the game over a short time period and moved on...or the few no longer as good? Oh ok....i knew i wasnt tripping.

But hey, they could have been doing this water down system years ago, my point is...eventually game after game with the same mentality will lead your favorite game will have steered 100% in the opposite direction. The goal is to get them back on the right direction.

But if your a fan boy, you will accept whats given i guess. Long as its title is the same, with a different number at the end you will always be happy.
Kinda like those Resident Evil guys thinking that new trash was acceptable.
 
Israel

Israel

Apprentice
I thought of Tom brady..forever king..and Pig. Idk how they did but..i guess u can mention those.

But either way ill end it there.. I would cause all kinda problems lol i understand the points you all made tho
 
Shaka

Shaka

Tier Whore.
Easier execution doesn't equal simplified or watered down.

NRs games have a lot of depth even if they look simple, you gotta have MU knowledge, know gaps, frame traps, frame data etc.
 
FL Rushdown

FL Rushdown

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Israel said:
hm..did that happen in mkx? did the same..PL..reo...Cdjr (and crew)... and all the other names i cant remember...continue to win and dominate? Or are/did half of them drop the game over a short time period and moved on...or the few no longer as good? Oh ok....i knew i wasnt tripping.

But hey, they could have been doing this water down system years ago, my point is...eventually game after game with the same mentality will lead your favorite game will have steered 100% in the opposite direction. The goal is to get them back on the right direction.

But if your a fan boy, you will accept whats given i guess. Long as its title is the same, with a different number at the end you will always be happy.
Kinda like those Resident Evil guys thinking that new trash was acceptable.
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Yeah see, you said all companies and all games. I was just talking about what I know and what I know is damdai will smack you upside downside and around as ryu from sf2 alllllll the way to sfv. Guess your old mk9 guys just weren't good enough. Younger community grows faster and leaves people behind. Sonicfox doesn't win cause the games easier he wins cause he's better. Not trying to throw shade at the old guard but it is what it is.
 
Shaka

Shaka

Tier Whore.
Israel said:
I thought of Tom brady..forever king..and Pig. Idk how they did but..i guess u can mention those.
tho
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Pigs is still finding himself and a main.
Brady doesn't go to tournaments.
King is being doing very well at tournaments.

Players leveled up the old schoolers gotta level up to if they want to keep up, it's not random.
 
Roy Arkon

Roy Arkon

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Shaka said:
Pigs is still finding himself and a main.
Brady doesn't go to tournaments.
King is being doing very well at tournaments.

Players leveled up the old schoolers gotta level up to if they want to keep up, it's not random.
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As far as I know Tom does go to tournies he just didn't get to top 8's because he tried to main only one charactet for two years and it didn't work.
 
Linkuei82

Linkuei82

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Shaka said:
Pigs is still finding himself and a main.
Brady doesn't go to tournaments.
King is being doing very well at tournaments.

Players leveled up the old schoolers gotta level up to if they want to keep up, it's not random.
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Pig retired and Tom was in a serious accident and has been recovering. That's why he hasn't been to that many tournaments.
 
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