Match-up Discussion Ares-Superman is the worst match up in the game

[Doombawkz]

It's a +16/+12 low and it messes all of your wake ups so yeah lol

 

[Clark]

Technically batman hawkgirl is worse, for reasons you are obviously too stupid to understand 4x4lo8o

Bad for Hawkgirl, correct?

 

[Hellbringer]

Mr Aquaman

 

[PPJ]

Technically batman hawkgirl is worse, for reasons you are obviously too stupid to understand 4x4lo8o

might not be as bad as everyone thinks

 

[PPJ]

also ares has a way out. after a blocked breath, d1 will whiff under the f2, but then backdash the 3. after the backdash you are in a range where if supes tries to f2 again your d1 wont whiff under his f2 and it will hit. you are also around +1 after the backdash

 

[xInfra Deadx]

also ares has a way out. after a blocked breath, d1 will whiff under the f2, but then backdash the 3. after the backdash you are in a range where if supes tries to f2 again your d1 wont whiff under his f2 and it will hit. you are also around +1 after the backdash

There was a point where you can D1 Superman on a F2 attempt when Breath was +1 and it hit him...now that's no longer the case, and it became much more difficult for the God of War to deal with.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Oh TYM pls.

Stahp duping my posts

 

[Qwark28]

f23 is a inf on joker as well since he cant backdash whats your point again? at least ares has a teleport to get around superman laser show

standing 1 into mb rlg punishes f23 repetitions

 

[Mr Aquaman]

Mr Aquaman

I was not prepared for sups, nor is the character prepared, KDZ was moved into the pool right before tourney started, I freaked out having both him and DJT in it, but I still had it in the bag just made bad reads against DJT. KDZ is just that good and actually has a lot of exp against ARES. Great guy too. Terrible MU, just wait in 2 weeks =D

 

[KIllaByte]

Though I understand why it's difficult, your video representation of zoning is unrealistic.
Ares doesn't have to fireball immediately after his first one.
In doing this, you create a rhythm for the opponent to dash to- and all characters zoning gets blown up.
You could teleport while he thinks he's trying to get in on you- get one combo pickup compared to Superman's 9001, derived from F2, 3..

 

[knight x1868]

Clearly someone hasn't played Flash v. Hawkgirl.

 

[4x4lo8o]

Though I understand why it's difficult, your video representation of zoning is unrealistic.
Ares doesn't have to fireball immediately after his first one.
In doing this, you create a rhythm for the opponent to dash to- and all characters zoning gets blown up.
You could teleport while he thinks he's trying to get in on you- get one combo pickup compared to Superman's 9001, derived from F2, 3..

The zoning was just done like that to illustrate that he can get a dash in every time, no matter what. Ares doesn't have anything to stop that forward movement before he gets into f23 range
What would you get by teleporting? Even if he dashes or jumps he's going to recover faster than you and be in a spacing where he has the footsies advantage

 

[Qwark28]

ares is such an ineffective zoner. If you stop and take a second to look at his projectile, everyone who has a high and slow projectile is meant to have it as a suplement for their core gameplay

then you have people like sinestro and deathstroke and raven whose sole purpose is to catch you moving, while ares has too much of a slow projectile and not mid so he'd be a traditional throw all that shit out zoner

ares has no zoning if you play it smart

 

[Mr Aquaman]

ares is by far one of the top 3 zoners in the game, and is the best counter zoner in the game, after the patch he may be number 1. he beats every zoning character in the game, cyborg, sinestro, raven, ds, he beats all of them full screen because of the threat of teleport and de being quick counter fb with stagger, and MB giving a hard KD for a free way in. axe with pushback and anti air, sword being faster than heavens wrath. what exactly is wrong with ares zoning?

 

[Vocket]

Top 3 counter zoner maybe top 3 zoner no. A zoner that loses to rush down is not a zoner. His teleport is definitely useless against characters like Flash and he has too much of a traditional zoning toolset in a game filled with teleports, fast advancing specials and instant full screen projectiles it is not the best

 

[Qwark28]

ares is by far one of the top 3 zoners in the game, and is the best counter zoner in the game, after the patch he may be number 1. he beats every zoning character in the game, cyborg, sinestro, raven, ds, he beats all of them full screen because of the threat of teleport and de being quick counter fb with stagger, and MB giving a hard KD for a free way in. axe with pushback and anti air, sword being faster than heavens wrath. what exactly is wrong with ares zoning?

the best counterzoner in the game is black adam.

if hes a top 3 zoner why is he bottom according to you ares players?

a quick HIGH fireball would be 12f or less, ares is retardedly slow for a char whose meant to check dashing.

 

[PND i2 Gaug3]

Why cant you just block?

 

[fr stack]

Why cant you just block?

cause ders no block butten

 

[Mr Aquaman]

the best counterzoner in the game is black adam.

if hes a top 3 zoner why is he bottom according to you ares players?

a quick HIGH fireball would be 12f or less, ares is retardedly slow for a char whose meant to check dashing.

how is ba only losing to zoners in tournament then

 

[Mr Aquaman]

Top 3 counter zoner maybe top 3 zoner no. A zoner that loses to rush down is not a zoner. His teleport is definitely useless against characters like Flash and he has too much of a traditional zoning toolset in a game filled with teleports, fast advancing specials and instant full screen projectiles it is not the best

you clearly don't know what a zoner is, is a zoner supposed to be godlike up close? a zoner that loses when the opponent gets to them is the fucking definition of a zoner

 

[Qwark28]

how is ba only losing to zoners in tournament then

which BA? rico doesnt lose unless he gets outplayed.

outplayed implying that he doesnt lose just to zoning for obvious reasons.

 

[Zyphox]

you can backdash a f23 breathe mid screen then d1 sword him if he tired another f23 because the d1 will go under the 3 in f23. in the corner push block and make a read and if you have no meter just sit there blocking low until he tries something else i guess LMAO.

 

[4x4lo8o]

you can backdash a f23 breathe mid screen then d1 sword him if he tired another f23 because the d1 will go under the 3 in f23

This isn't true. You can't get the d1 out unless the Superman player delays the f2

also ares has a way out. after a blocked breath, d1 will whiff under the f2, but then backdash the 3. after the backdash you are in a range where if supes tries to f2 again your d1 wont whiff under his f2 and it will hit. you are also around +1 after the backdash

This is crazy. You can't back dash on the first frame after the d1 otherwise your invincibility frames end and the 3 hits you out of the backdash. I haven't been able to test whether the d1 after dashing out will beat out f23, but the spacing looks wrong. There's way too much space, d1 will whiff if Supes doesn't move forward. It'd have to be a frame perfect thing where you delay the d1 and it hits right as f2 moves him into range, which you can already do after a blocked breath but isn't really practical at all.
Do you have a video?

 

[xRozayMcTang187x]

I hate the superman match up as well, but if you play it smart and limit sups ability to get you into that f23 loop,push block if he does, then your in the best position to take the match. I have more problems with a zone happy superman than aggressive ones.... play it smart and make some reads and your may not be to tooooo bad off

 

[Espio]

might not be as bad as everyone thinks

I think it's 4-6 Batman's favor.