b2d3 shouldn't whiff after a b2d3 connects. It does less damage though...
When I try to time it similarly to 111, b2. If i do it that way it'll whiff. If i do b2d3, b2 I have to pause and wait for the character model to stand back up. Idk
Don't wait so long, it's almost immediately after the d3. And there is no advantage to doing b2d3 into j2. You are giving them a free pushblock. I think Fox was using that back when there was some misinformation going around on MKU that lead him to believe that j2 could cross up.
this is all wrong... just jump in after bola and do 111 or b2d3. Don't cancel into anything. Then go for either b2d3, b2u3, or b12. After b2d3, you can cancel to bf3. After the other 2 options you do d2~bf1. Something that fox would do is multiple b2d3's because he's risky as fuq and want's to do an extra 6% in a mini-mix up before going for the 50/50. It works sometimes but it won't work often if they know how to block batgirl.
Idunno, it's not really a mind game. I mean, you get hit by it and they either block high or low. What is the mind game? If anything, it gives you more frame advantage and that's why they are doing it.
I think it's actually less frame advantage and what I mean by "mindgame" is that the move itself looks like one of the two mixup options.
I don't think it crosses up. 21 into j3 can cross up.
Ok, I see what you mean. I would almost rather hit them with 111 though, as not to show them the overhead/low option until they actually have to guess. Plus, over the course of a match, we're talking 8%-10% damage lost if you run the vortex 4-5 times (2% each time you do b2d3). The frame advantage of b2d3 is something to consider as well. It probably gives you a better chance at landing a dash into throw.
Have you watched the sonicfox footage from tfc? Cause this is exactly some of the tech he was using. After watching it some more I figured out another reason why he may use it. After doing the bola, if you j2, d2d3, then jump in again it's an overhead, which you can confirm into a overhead or a low, or even a overhead low vortex starter (b2d3xxbf3 MB). After you get then to respect the jump in, you could do b2d3 immediately into b12 for a low after the b2d3. Though you could prolly fuzzy guard the jump in, its just more options that adds to the mix up.
ya thats true. I like to use the dash 111 setup when I bola them really close to the corner because sometimes if you j2 it will cross up and put you in the corner, killing her awesome corner game.
You don't need to add anything to a 50/50 mix-up. The j2 after b2d3 vortex ender doesn't cross up. You are giving the opponent a free pushblock to get out of the vortex. It's totally worth 1 meter to get out of her vortex. Why do you need them to respect the jump in? They are already dealing with a 50/50.
