About Superman's Trait and Balance Request.

[King Checkmate]

First, I must say that im a superman user myself. (I use 4 characters ATM,Bane,Doomsday,Superman,lobo)
And i think Superman's trait needs a little twich. Not in the form of a nerf but maybe balance.

Say more damage but more cool down time?More Duration and more cool down time?

The reason is , some characters , specially fatties (Bane, Grundy,Lex, Doomsday) are armor dependent and Superman's trait that has FREE armor breaking capabilities seems to be too much, rate of activation time wise.(Bane too, but its nowhere near ''FREE'')

The fact that Superman already can heavily zone these ''slow'' big hit-box characters is already a minus, but he also get his trait about 3-4 times PER ROUND making any armored approach attempt meaningless , and ultras, and pretty much everything for that matters.... I think this is way too much free armor breaking capabilities.

I don't mind more damage/Duration whatever on the trait but i think that the cool down is way off.

Superman already has all the tools he needs to stay S ''tier'' EVEN with a Trait balance.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

My suggestions:

1) More cooldown. Maybe a second or 2. Like Aquaman nerf.
2) Less duration. Maybe .5 to a full second less.
3)Reduce damage buff
4)Make it uncancellable into a move.
5)Make it uncancellable from a move


Either of the ones I listed are reasonable enough I think. I'm not sure as to how to balance the anti-armor priority. Maybe make it so that it only beats 1 hit of armor or something?

 

[Enenra]

The trait isn't the main issue with Supes. But let's bring everyone up to his level, not him to down to theirs.

 

[King Checkmate]

The trait isn't the main issue with Supes. But let's bring everyone up to his level, not him to down to theirs.

No well i agree.
But doing a damage buff on his trait leaving the rest of his perks there, but giving it MORE cool down is NOT a nerf,but a balance. He could do more damage combos, but break less armor, that in my case its why im QQ about....

 

[ShadowBeatz]

But let's bring everyone up to his level, not him to down to theirs.

I disagree. Nerf everyone to D tier

 

[SatsuiYesHadou]

The trait cool down is the ONLY thing that should be nerfed with supes. Make it like 15 seconds instead of 7. Everything else is fine really people just should actually practice and learn the mu for once

 

[King Checkmate]

Or that...

The trait cool down is the ONLY thing that should be nerfed with supes. Make it like 15 seconds instead of 7. Everything else is fine really people just should actually practice and learn the mu for once

 

[Noserfatu]

My suggestion: everyone needs to shut the fuck up about nerfing superman

 

[King Checkmate]

My suggestion: everyone needs to shut the fuck up about nerfing superman

ur suggestion is unimportant.And im talking about a balance....

 

[CamChattic]

My suggestion: everyone needs to shut the fuck up about nerfing superman

Why can't I like this ten more times. How the fuck are we gonna talk about nerfing a character who didn't even make it 2 top 8 this weekend when 2 characters who just got nerfed did. How about we do this little thing that happened in the per world of Warcraft days its called play your goddamnd video games more than you talk / bitch about them.

 

[King Checkmate]

The fact the other players were better than the superman players has nothing to do with Superman's trait recharging way too fast....
I really dont know where i lost you...

 

[AceninjaNZ]

Don't mind his trait to much. It's mostly used mid combo.

 

[King Checkmate]

Don't mind his trait to much. It's mostly used mid combo.

I understand , the damage buff is definitely not the issue here is his free armor breaking capabilities. Being way too frequent , he makes armor dependent characters , specially slow ones, instantly overwhelmed.

 

[AceninjaNZ]

I understand , the damage buff is definitely not the issue here is his free armor breaking capabilities. Being way too frequent , he makes armor dependent characters , specially slow ones, instantly overpowered.

I wouldn't say overpowered. Its a really short duration and power characters aren't always dependant on special armour moves. I'm sure they could defend themselves for 6 seconds.

 

[King Checkmate]

You obviously dont know what waiting 6 seconds with Bane's trait up means... XD
OR Doomsday... Or Lex...

 

[AceninjaNZ]

You obviously dont know what waiting 6 seconds with Bane's trait up means... XD
OR Doomsday... Or Lex...

If you use it with 1 venom wait then 2 venom wait then third venom that's all 18 seconds with a 6 second cooldown

 

[King Checkmate]

If you use it with 1 venom wait then 2 venom wait then third venom that's all 18 seconds with a 6 second cooldown

In that time, supes gets another trait LOL

 

[AceninjaNZ]

In that time, supes gets another trait LOL

Yeah but after he runs out of trait then you get in and use your armor..

 

[DerpyHooves2010]

My main issue with Superman is that his super move comes out so freaking fast that you have almost no time to react to it.

 

[AceninjaNZ]

My main issue with Superman is that his super move comes out so freaking fast that you have almost no time to react to it.

2 Frames.

 

[King Checkmate]

My main issue with Superman is that his super move comes out so freaking fast that you have almost no time to react to it.

Thats something im willing to live with.

Superman trait hitting me out of doomsday/Lex/Bane armor traits 3+ times a round not....

 

[DerpyHooves2010]

2 Frames.

Yeah, that's really fucking fast. Especially for a super move.

 

[AceninjaNZ]

Yeah, that's really fucking fast. Especially for a super move.

Its superman Got the lasers , Got the armor breaking trait , Got the air dash crossovers. He's so good

 

[DerpyHooves2010]

This is probably already known too, but you can f3 twice in a row with superman for a ludicrously easy 19%. (24% with trait)

 

[CamChattic]

I understand , the damage buff is definitely not the issue here is his free armor breaking capabilities. Being way too frequent , he makes armor dependent characters , specially slow ones, instantly overpowered.

Ok if his trait is literally buff damage+ break armor then that's what he does. Its SUPPOSED to change the matchup. It's like fighting ultra 2 with blanka once ultra 2 is stocked your done throwing fireballs that option is gone just accept it. If other characters other options are so bad that they need super armor to be viable then those characters need to be buffed.