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mastermalone

mastermalone

Use only logic, please
God Confirm said:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nZW9nH

read em and weep


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The parts that you have pout together in that list is very, very, VERY laughable. A Ryzen 3? HAHAHAHA! What do you plan on processing with that chip? Emails? That motherboard is worthless. No SLI support not to mention it's a low end Gigabyte mobo. It's only got one system fan header, why? A 7200 rpm HDD? You're joking, right? And only 1TB at that. Why no SSD?

This rig will take three earth rotations to boot Windows 10. The 1050ti graphics card you choose is a serious joke. It's the roughly equivalent to a 960 which debuted about 6 years ago. It's a budget card that can only manage 1080p 30-45 fps. Better make sure that 450w PSU can power this rig without issues. It should since none of the components are too demanding. 8 gigs of RAM? Come on, man this is not 2010.

I don't know, man. I actually did read that build list and wept. I'll shed tears for anyone that lets you build this for them. I've been building PC's for years and this build looks much like the one I built in 2008. These specs rocked back then. So my question to you is why spend this much on a crappy PC that barely runs instead of a more optimized PS4 Pro or better yet, an Xbox One X? Better realize that my initial statement still holds true. You are not building a decent rig for under $500.00 dollars, period.
 
mastermalone

mastermalone

Use only logic, please
Deep33 said:
A)
Cow brained sheep eyed low aptitude bovine creatures like the ones on here would indeed be scared of installing a game back in the days. With STEAM, its click install! click play. It is all dumbed down dumb as shit now for bovine user compatibility

B)
A previous gen used GPU purchased for dirt cheap would still pour the graphics rain on all FGs. I mean these are damn FGs. We are not talking about Crysis 3 or Metro Last night redux.

C) You can easily build a Gaming PC for 400 bucks which will blast through all FGs.

D) Incompatible controllers? drivers? you are living 15 yrs ago.
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Try letting the other developers know that we are all crazy since my Hori Pro4 was not compatible with a few of my games on steam. I worked closely with a Unity Dev who personally sent me a JSON config map creation tool to get a sense of what the issue was for my stick not working with their game. I sent them back the JSON data and they resolved the issue with an update.

What the fuck are you talking about? 15 years ago? This shit happened 2 months ago. I'm a Software engineer (Web) unfortunately not a Unity Dev so I could not address the issue in a timely manner since I would need to spend time learning C# and the Unity platform. It's a trivial fix for a seasoned Unity Dev.

Like the other guy who tried convincing me that you can build a decent rig for under $500.00, please stop saying this. Unless you are building a PC for Nanna's email and Facebook use, your claim will never support the vision of the PC master race, ever.
 
God Confirm

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
mastermalone said:
The parts that you have pout together in that list is very, very, VERY laughable. A Ryzen 3? HAHAHAHA! What do you plan on processing with that chip? Emails? That motherboard is worthless. No SLI support not to mention it's a low end Gigabyte mobo. It's only got one system fan header, why? A 7200 rpm HDD? You're joking, right? And only 1TB at that. Why no SSD?

This rig will take three earth rotations to boot Windows 10. The 1050ti graphics card you choose is a serious joke. It's the roughly equivalent to a 960 which debuted about 6 years ago. It's a budget card that can only manage 1080p 30-45 fps. Better make sure that 450w PSU can power this rig without issues. It should since none of the components are too demanding. 8 gigs of RAM? Come on, man this is not 2010.

I don't know, man. I actually did read that build list and wept. I'll shed tears for anyone that lets you build this for them. I've been building PC's for years and this build looks much like the one I built in 2008. These specs rocked back then. So my question to you is why spend this much on a crappy PC that barely runs instead of a more optimized PS4 Pro or better yet, an Xbox One X? Better realize that my initial statement still holds true. You are not building a decent rig for under $500.00 dollars, period.
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is this satire? I honestly can't tell anymore



"A 7200 rpm HDD"
"And only 1TB at that."
"8 gigs of RAM? Come on, man this is not 2010. "

The PS4 Pro has 5400 rpm HDD, and shipped with 1TB, and 8GB of ram.... in 2016....




"Ryzen 3? HAHAHAHA! What do you plan on processing with that chip? Emails?"

the PS4 Pro CPU is equivalent to a downclocked FX-8300. Look how much stronger the Ryzen 3 is than that junk lol

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-vs-AMD-FX-8300/m441832vsm7163



"It's the roughly equivalent to a 960 which debuted about 6 years ago."

uhhh are you talking in dog years?

GeForce GTX 960 January 22, 2015






"Why no SSD? This rig will take three earth rotations to boot Windows 10."

Why no SSD in the PS4 pro lol?

How much are you willing to bet it beats the PS4 into playing any game, starting from power off?




This isn't intended to be a high end rig - it costs under $450 lol. It's intended to beat out a console for value, with a much broader range of games, and all the other options that come with PC, while saving you even more money with the cheapest games available and no monthly fee just play your own games that you own. It's also fully upgradeable at any point without voiding warrant. For like $50 more you can grab a RX 580 for the GPU and squash even the PS4 Pro, and it's already walking over the stock PS4 without it.


I've just been enjoying this thread for the chuckles I hope you are too
 
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NaCl man

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Deep33 said:
"Tournament Standard" eh Doouumass Dim Baaa? "Tournament Standard!!", almost sounds fancy. You, mean any tournament organizer couldn't just sit you sheep down in front of a Gaming PC at ANY TOURNY? Say "baaaa" again for me now, will ya?
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Just easier. Ps4 as the standard is because they are all the same spec , mass produced and easy to get.

Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
 
mastermalone

mastermalone

Use only logic, please
God Confirm said:
is this satire? I honestly can't tell anymore



"A 7200 rpm HDD"
"And only 1TB at that."
"8 gigs of RAM? Come on, man this is not 2010. "

The PS4 Pro has 5400 rpm HDD, and shipped with 1TB, and 8GB of ram.... in 2016....




"Ryzen 3? HAHAHAHA! What do you plan on processing with that chip? Emails?"

the PS4 Pro CPU is equivalent to a downclocked FX-8300. Look how much stronger the Ryzen 3 is than that junk lol

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-vs-AMD-FX-8300/m441832vsm7163



"It's the roughly equivalent to a 960 which debuted about 6 years ago."

uhhh are you talking in dog years?

GeForce GTX 960 January 22, 2015






"Why no SSD? This rig will take three earth rotations to boot Windows 10."

Why no SSD in the PS4 pro lol?

How much are you willing to bet it beats the PS4 into playing any game, starting from power off?




This isn't intended to be a high end rig - it costs under $450 lol. It's intended to beat out a console for value, with a much broader range of games, and all the other options that come with PC, while saving you even more money with the cheapest games available and no monthly fee just play your own games that you own. It's also fully upgradeable at any point without voiding warrant. For like $50 more you can grab a RX 580 for the GPU and squash even the PS4 Pro, and it's already walking over the stock PS4 without it.


I've just been enjoying this thread for the chuckles I hope you are too
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I'm starting to wonder about the caliber of the reader here in this thread. I'm quite sure I mentioned building a DECENT rig, not a slightly more powerful than a PS4 Pro rig. I'll give you the GTX 960 release info. That's spot on. I was thinking of the older 650 that I put in an older build. My mistake on that.

But I'll ask you a question. Why would you settle for building a slightly more powerful rig than a PS4 instead of building one that can handle some real calculations?

Like you stated, it's not intended to be a high end rig. But what you are suggesting to build is quite a low end rig. Why not spend a few hundred more and build a nicer mid-range rig?

Like the two guys before you, I would never have you build a PC for me, ever. Just trying to edge out a PS4 Pro for under $500.00 just to say you did it will not allow me to play all the games I want at good frame rates and resolutions. Build a PC just to run fighting games? I would not build a PC just to play fighting games. If this is your argument then fine. It's just not an argument that I would have with any competent PC builder.

Sure, you could build this rig for the price but I can guarantee that you will be upgrading within a few months once you realize how slow that thing is.

Remember, consoles are optimized to run in a specific way which affords them the ability to run games decently for what appears to be very low specs. PC's come with a bit more overhead which is why more power is required to run games from mid to max settings.

Windows 10 has been better tuned than other Windows releases but it still has to deal with the other process running in the background that your average console does not.

I too have been enjoying this thread. I've gotten more laughs out of it than I have anywhere else in a while.
 
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Juxtapose

Juxtapose

Noob
I'm an older gamer, and I've played on console and PC alike through the years. My honest experience: video games are fun, play them on the platform you feel like. Unless you're actually making a living off of tournaments or streaming/YouTube, gaming is nothing more than a hobby that should _not_ define you, so who cares what you play on?

I've also noticed it goes through cycles where consoles have "better" exclusive games, then PC's tend to be overall "better," then consoles, then PCs, etc., but again, all are viable and fun.

I loved my Xbox 360 and played the snot out of it, four years ago I went back to PC and that's where I currently am. I don't have a monster rig either, it's a four year old system that was about mid-range when I got it, but it's serving me just fine to play the games I want to play.

For the PC port of Mortal Kombat X, it did have a lot of issues out of the gate, but the kind of system you had seemed to dictate how bad. AMD cards had lots of issues, nVidia less so. I was fortunate and had very little issues at all, and one QLOC was finally hired on to clean the port up, well now, it plays fantastically.
 
UGL Preon

UGL Preon

The Casual God
As a T.O. I can tell you right now the thought of PC setups is pretty godlike and it does work for MOST games. But fighting games as a whole haven't caught up. Some games don't have controller support, some sticks don't work on certain hardware, in some cases certain controllers can cause the game to need a reboot (Rivals/Melty)

Fighting games don't have the best port history. Since a lot of console to PC ports aren't even done "in house" these days.

The PS4 gives a standardized set of hardware for $399. Someone playing on a home PC with different specs, might have a different timing or issue with the look of the game on a system running at a different specs.

The PS4 is Plug n Play. Cheaper in the short run. However while it's TRUE with PS+, Games/DLC with profile caps, and the like will make it MUCH more expensive in the long run. There's the fact that some people in the FGC aren't fans of PC and the fact the current gen of consoles are all in one machines make it a great buy. Built in DVR, no need for 3rd party apps, etc. Its enticing.

The potential for PC tournaments is definitely there but it's not there yet. While steam is infinitely better than PS+, you have to remember most people aren't going to build their own PC and will only purchase marked up ore-builds that are essentially $120-$300 more expensive than getting the parts separately (plus the graphics card fiasco) GPU shortage with the whole mining thing. So a Great Graphics card ALONE is more expensive than a PS4 and a solid one is a little less. Do the quick math.
 
TheDoctaMario

TheDoctaMario

Noob
I played SF4 on PC and compared to the console version it looked great and after that, I thought maybe instead of buying another console I'd get a gaming PC instead .

But I just got a PS4 because I realized that I just want to play games, I don't want to tinker with hardware. PCs are great if you're into that but if you're not, it's just an added pain in the ass, although it's better than it used to be.

Plus, PC will NEVER be the tournament standard, look up the PC SFV tourney they had recently in China to find out why.
 
God Confirm

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
mastermalone said:
I'm quite sure I mentioned building a DECENT rig, not a slightly more powerful than a PS4 Pro rig.
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mastermalone said:
But I'll ask you a question. Why would you settle for building a slightly more powerful rig than a PS4 instead of building one that can handle some real calculations?

Like you stated, it's not intended to be a high end rig. But what you are suggesting to build is quite a low end rig. Why not spend a few hundred more and build a nicer mid-range rig?
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bruh

You literally said:

"Most casual consumers of games are scared of PC gaming. First of all, they believe that there is an overly complicated installation process for the games, which is as you know, not true. But they think that. Also, to get some nicer visuals than the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X, you need to shell out some dough. A good gaming PC is not made for under $500.00 U.S."

I proved this wrong, and you're somehow completely moving the goalposts over to this awkward argument "if you are going to buy a PC why wouldn't you buy one that can do all the other great things PC can"

Well, yes, that's just more benefits that PC has that you can buy into if you have the money. The point was that on a limited budget you absolutely can get nicer visuals than a PS4 Pro or an XBoX one. You had chimed in on that one and got it wrong, it's not that big a deal, you don't need to backpedal like this or act like everyone else is the jackass for your mistakes lol

Of course if you play only fighting games you may want to get a console - it's where the community is for a lot of them. You were talking about the tech tho - and you got it wrong.



the memes were good but at this stage I think I've gotten more chuckles out of your posts than anything else
 
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CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
mastermalone said:
The parts that you have pout together in that list is very, very, VERY laughable. A Ryzen 3? HAHAHAHA! What do you plan on processing with that chip? Emails? That motherboard is worthless. No SLI support not to mention it's a low end Gigabyte mobo. It's only got one system fan header, why? A 7200 rpm HDD? You're joking, right? And only 1TB at that. Why no SSD?

This rig will take three earth rotations to boot Windows 10. The 1050ti graphics card you choose is a serious joke. It's the roughly equivalent to a 960 which debuted about 6 years ago. It's a budget card that can only manage 1080p 30-45 fps. Better make sure that 450w PSU can power this rig without issues. It should since none of the components are too demanding. 8 gigs of RAM? Come on, man this is not 2010.

I don't know, man. I actually did read that build list and wept. I'll shed tears for anyone that lets you build this for them. I've been building PC's for years and this build looks much like the one I built in 2008. These specs rocked back then. So my question to you is why spend this much on a crappy PC that barely runs instead of a more optimized PS4 Pro or better yet, an Xbox One X? Better realize that my initial statement still holds true. You are not building a decent rig for under $500.00 dollars, period.
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Just a note that SLI is kind of a thing of the past (at least right now). Almost no serious gamer is running it (and support for it was often buggy anyways).

Almost everybody who’s really up on PC gaming is just running either a Geforce high-9-series or 10-series GPU.
 
MKF30

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Not a fan of FG in general on PC, I much prefer consoles with this genre. But I have always thought those who build their own PC's from scratch is a neat hobby.

Is it true that RPG's play much better on PC than consoles?
 
mastermalone

mastermalone

Use only logic, please
God Confirm said:
bruh

You literally said:

"Most casual consumers of games are scared of PC gaming. First of all, they believe that there is an overly complicated installation process for the games, which is as you know, not true. But they think that. Also, to get some nicer visuals than the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X, you need to shell out some dough. A good gaming PC is not made for under $500.00 U.S."

I proved this wrong, and you're somehow completely moving the goalposts over to this awkward argument "if you are going to buy a PC why wouldn't you buy one that can do all the other great things PC can"

Well, yes, that's just more benefits that PC has that you can buy into if you have the money. The point was that on a limited budget you absolutely can get nicer visuals than a PS4 Pro or an XBoX one. You had chimed in on that one and got it wrong, it's not that big a deal, you don't need to backpedal like this or act like everyone else is the jackass for your mistakes lol

Of course if you play only fighting games you may want to get a console - it's where the community is for a lot of them. You were talking about the tech tho - and you got it wrong.



the memes were good but at this stage I think I've gotten more chuckles out of your posts than anything else
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Seriously Bruh.


Coming from my tech background, trust me when I say that I've laughed a little harder at you. In any case, I can see that there is little to no point going over this with you any longer. I totally get what you are trying to say but for whatever reason, you don't get my point of "why settle for low spec PC when the whole point of owning a PC for gaming over owning a console is the power that you can install in it?"

If that is somehow difficult to understand, whatever. I tried. About being a jackass... I specifically remember reading a comment stating "read it and weep". Yeah, well I'm a jackass for responding to someone calling me out on something that I know a little something about. Lord knows if I got it wrong on how to build a decent gaming PC based my comments, your idea of a decent gaming PC vastly differs from the rest of us. Again, whatever I suppose. I won't have to use the PC that you would build for that cost so it doesn't matter really.

Also, I have not back peddled on anything I said. I never said that you could not build a PC capable of slightly better specs than a PS4 Pro for under $500.00. I said that you could not build a DECENT rig for under that cost. You need to throw some dough at it. Where did I back peddlel? I will own up to any mistake that I've made. You may have already noticed the fact check that I acknowledged that I was mistaken on. No one else seems to do that, just me.

I had a great time learning that people here don't like to be told that they can do better. Had it been me being told that I needed to throw some dough at my build, I would have said, "True, you can build a better rig for a bit more, but the point is I'm just trying to build a PC with a little more performance than a PS4 Pro for a good price."

That would have made all the difference. But instead I got "read it and weep" along with a spec list that I would have never consider to use for a gaming PC that would be worth the effort. Why put in the time to build that when I could just spend $399.00 for a comparable machine that is already built and is plug and play? Better yet, I can throw some dough at it and build a decent gaming rig. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Admittedly, those specs made me spray my Cheerios and milk all over the kitchen table . Again, I never once said that it could not be done, I just don't think building a gaming PC should be done like those specs showed.

If you took my contents as being a jackass, I'll own that and be the first to apologise. But, I still stand by my original statements of how not to build a decent gaming rig. Please don't screw yourself or anyone else over with a build like the spec proposed. I'm director of engineering where I work so I have to know a little something about PC building and software development.

Peace.
 
mastermalone

mastermalone

Use only logic, please
CrimsonShadow said:
Just a note that SLI is kind of a thing of the past (at least right now). Almost no serious gamer is running it (and support for it was often buggy anyways).

Almost everybody who’s really up on PC gaming is just running either a Geforce high-9-series or 10-series GPU.
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Ok cool, man.
 
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Deep33

Noob
mastermalone said:
I'm starting to wonder about the caliber of the reader here in this thread. I'm quite sure I mentioned building a DECENT rig, not a slightly more powerful than a PS4 Pro rig. I'll give you the GTX 960 release info. That's spot on. I was thinking of the older 650 that I put in an older build. My mistake on that.

But I'll ask you a question. Why would you settle for building a slightly more powerful rig than a PS4 instead of building one that can handle some real calculations?

Like you stated, it's not intended to be a high end rig. But what you are suggesting to build is quite a low end rig. Why not spend a few hundred more and build a nicer mid-range rig?

Like the two guys before you, I would never have you build a PC for me, ever. Just trying to edge out a PS4 Pro for under $500.00 just to say you did it will not allow me to play all the games I want at good frame rates and resolutions. Build a PC just to run fighting games? I would not build a PC just to play fighting games. If this is your argument then fine. It's just not an argument that I would have with any competent PC builder.

Sure, you could build this rig for the price but I can guarantee that you will be upgrading within a few months once you realize how slow that thing is.

Remember, consoles are optimized to run in a specific way which affords them the ability to run games decently for what appears to be very low specs. PC's come with a bit more overhead which is why more power is required to run games from mid to max settings.

Windows 10 has been better tuned than other Windows releases but it still has to deal with the other process running in the background that your average console does not.

I too have been enjoying this thread. I've gotten more laughs out of it than I have anywhere else in a while.
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For argument's sake, even a cheap 400 to 500 dollar pc would beat a ps4 on specs and performance. But, realistically, since a PC is a multipurpose machine that can be used for everything besides just gaming, it makes sense to invest more. I have a 3000 dollar threadripper pc armed to the teeth. But, that's enthusiast grade (not for everyone) and anything in the 800 to 1000 dollar range should be a huge upgrade over a console for most users.
 
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Juxtapose

Juxtapose

Noob
@Deep33 I think you mean a $400.00 to $500.00 PC would beat a console on specs and performance, which is true. Hardware "ages" quickly and usually well before the year is out there's a much more powerful GPU, CPU, etc. available.

Considering a PlayStation 4 is, what, half a decade old now, a PC in that price range should indeed out perform it. Typically when a console launches, it's hardware is generally above or on par with a top-of-the-line PC, but that depreciates quickly.

The current generation of consoles though surprised me, as I recall they launched with _lesser_ hardware for the first time ever!

In terms of console vs PC for hardware, the PC will generally always win (save for a period around console-launch), anyone saying anything else is simply biased and ignoring facts. An interesting trend that started in the mid-2000's though, since consoles (Xbox 360 and its generation) were overtaking the PC as the primary gaming market and most developers and publishers were supporting them over PCs (save for MMOs and RTSes, really), games were continually being tailored for older hardware, and the need to constantly upgrade your PC for cutting edge performance declined since games were no longer jumping by leaps and bounds anymore.

I remember in the '90's to mid-2000's if you wanted top of the line performance, you'd need to upgrade your Ram every year or so and your CPU and GPU every two to three years, but with developer/publisher console preference, it actually shifted to more like half a decade! Not sure if that's still the case as though I'm back on PC as my primary gaming platform, modern games don't appeal much to me anymore and I'm playing older stuff, so upgrading hasn't been a focus of mine.
 
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