Injustice Kryptonite Council Podcast Episode 3 Feat: Tom Brady, Reo, Pig of the Hut, M2dave

[16 Bit]

There is no number.

Pre-patch Deathstroke never placed top 8 but was normalized.

Aside from Tom Brady, pre-patch Aquaman never placed top 8 but was normalized.

I genuinely believe that pre-patch Scorpion broke the game, and I am not going to argue why because I have done so in writing and speaking.

Players complain about the character that gives their main character the most problems. When I complain, I am hurting the community and the game. When others complain, nobody says anything.

You didn't just "complain". You were a big part of a cause to get a character BANNED.

 

[Garr123]

I think he's balanced. One of the top characters but not different from the rest of the top. I was in favor of him being legal. I don't care how many Scorpion's were in the top 8. I don't base my opinions on balance and banning based on the exact number of appearances in a top 8. I played 3 of the 4 Scorpion players in the top 8. I used Catwoman to show it wasn't just Killer Frost. At CEO we saw Doomsday, Superman, Harley and Green Arrow competing with Scorpion as well. Going into CEO the talking point was only Killer Frost, Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Aquaman can compete. Over the course of one weekend the list might have doubled. Does no one see what that means?

It means a bunch of people jumped the gun or just didn't want to put in the effort to learn the matchup against a character they found irritating.

And it worked, and he has been nerfed hard.

 

[M2Dave]

You didn't just "complain". You were a big part of a cause to get a character BANNED.

In the end, Scorpion was never banned. He was normalized instead.

Good, because I am not feeling sorry for anybody.

My character was normalized too and nobody felt sorry for me even though I had two days to prepare for a major tournament, and people like you mocked me by telling me "Adapt, Dave".

 

[Big Pampering]

I think he's balanced. One of the top characters but not different from the rest of the top. I was in favor of him being legal. I don't care how many Scorpion's were in the top 8. I don't base my opinions on balance and banning based on the exact number of appearances in a top 8. I played 3 of the 4 Scorpion players in the top 8. I used Catwoman to show it wasn't just Killer Frost. At CEO we saw Doomsday, Superman, Harley and Green Arrow competing with Scorpion as well. Going into CEO the talking point was only Killer Frost, Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Aquaman can compete. Over the course of one weekend the list might have doubled. Does no one see what that means?

KT smith was right:16Bit

 

[ghostwriteous]

 

[Garr123]

In the end, Scorpion was never banned. He was normalized instead.

Good, because I am not feeling sorry for anybody.

My character was normalized too and nobody felt sorry for me even though I had two days to prepare for a major tournament, and people like you mocked me by telling me "Adapt, Dave".

There's a gulf between the nerf to low gunshots and the hatchet that was taken to Scorpion.

If you weren't a child, you'd recognize that the unnecessary nerf that happened to your character happened AGAIN to another, which is a BAD THING. It means that NRS is just going to nerf characters randomly regardless of tournament data.

If you weren't thick as a brick and stubborn, you'd see that you were partially responsible for the exact thing you're mad about! Open your fucking eyes dude! It's fucking poisonous to the game!

It's bad that either got nerfed! Fuck!

 

[Big Pampering]

In the end, Scorpion was never banned. He was normalized instead.

Good, because I am not feeling sorry for anybody.

My character was normalized too and nobody felt sorry for me even though I had two days to prepare for a major tournament, and people like you mocked me by telling me "Adapt, Dave".

I don't believe the scorpion changes fall under the category ''normalized'' anymore.

 

[RWDY Nori]

I think he's balanced. One of the top characters but not different from the rest of the top. I was in favor of him being legal. I don't care how many Scorpion's were in the top 8. I don't base my opinions on balance and banning based on the exact number of appearances in a top 8. I played 3 of the 4 Scorpion players in the top 8. I used Catwoman to show it wasn't just Killer Frost. At CEO we saw Doomsday, Superman, Harley and Green Arrow competing with Scorpion as well. Going into CEO the talking point was only Killer Frost, Wonder Woman, Batgirl and Aquaman can compete. Over the course of one weekend the list might have doubled. Does no one see what that means?

I've said from day 1 the game is much more balanced than people give it credit for, that part I agree w/. What I don't agree w/is how 200+ people lost to Scorpion cause they didn't know the matchup. Most chars (KF is not one of them) really can't play the game as it was intended vs Scorpion. Every single char in this game has to do certain things to beat certain chars, but Scorpion is on another level IMO. Whether you are zoning, anti zoning, or rushdown you have to play the entire match by Scorpion's rules and those rules are extremely easy braindead 50/50s. That's not normal to me in a major fighting game

I also think top players went about this the wrong way as well to be honest. I have only seen 2 chars in my lifetime (and I've played nearly every game in a major at some point) that needed to be banned entirely, ST Akuma and Scorpion.

 

[16 Bit]

In the end, Scorpion was never banned. He was normalized instead.

Good, because I am not feeling sorry for anybody.

My character was normalized too and nobody felt sorry for me even though I had two days to prepare for a major tournament, and people like you mocked me by telling me "Adapt, Dave".

It's not ok because in the end he wasn't banned. That doesn't wash away your responsibility. I know it's all a joke to you, you like trolling and getting revenge for low gun shots, but you tried to get a character banned. With limited experience and understanding you lead the cause to get a character banned. You didn't know what the fuck you were talking about and you still acted like a community leader and lead the charge. That is disturbing.

I would rank the Scorpion scare of 2013 as the most embarrassing episode in TYM history.

 

[16 Bit]

I've said from day 1 the game is much more balanced than people give it credit for, that part I agree w/. What I don't agree w/is how 200+ people lost to Scorpion cause they didn't know the matchup. Most chars (KF is not one of them) really can't play the game as it was intended vs Scorpion. Every single char in this game has to do certain things to beat certain chars, but Scorpion is on another level IMO. Whether you are zoning, anti zoning, or rushdown you have to play the entire match by Scorpion's rules and those rules are extremely easy braindead 50/50s. That's not normal to me in a major fighting game

I also think top players went about this the wrong way as well to be honest. I have only seen 2 chars in my lifetime (and I've played nearly every game in a major at some point) that needed to be banned entirely, ST Akuma and Scorpion.

"playing the game that way it was intended" and "rules of the game" and what not are meaningless talking points. Who decides how the game was "meant" to be played?

With Killer Frost I have more fun and "play the game" more against Scorpion than Black Adam.

Regardless, I also played Scorpion using Catwoman and did fine. So it'd be nice if people would stop bringing up my main.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

AK Pig Of The Hut Just think about what you guys do and say before you do it. Being top players, your words have a lot of influence. If new players come on this site and see it's best players doing nothing but complaining about the product, it makes it look bad. Imagine going to ESPN and they are talking about how terrible the NBA/NFL is, would you want to watch it? I'm not saying live in the clouds and pretend everything is ok. When you take on leadership roles, be responsible, that's all I'm saying

I'm doing all I know what to do

I have apologized

I am holding it

And I'm admitting wrong

And I'm moving on

 

[Garr123]

Regardless, I also played Scorpion using Catwoman and did fine. So it'd be nice if people would stop bringing up my main.

They're not going to because they aren't putting critical thought into anything and are basically just going "URRGGNNHH TELEPORT" until they shit themselves and win via verbosity.

 

[M2Dave]

It's not ok because in the end he wasn't banned. That doesn't wash away your responsibility. I know it's all a joke to you, you like trolling and getting revenge for low gun shots, but you tried to get a character banned. With limited experience and understanding you lead the cause to get a character banned. You didn't know what the fuck you were talking about and you still acted like a community leader and lead the charge. That is disturbing.

But you and Dizzy did know what you were talking about when you complained about Deathstroke's low gunshots because Slips mopped you two fools up? Dizzy even called Deathstroke's zoning "broken".

Why are you pathetic fan boys only criticizing me? Why are other leaders of the community not held accountable?

 

[THTB]

This teleport argument sucks. Yes, it crosses you up anywhere. Having to only hold down to beat it? Um, from a certain range (further out than where j3 will reach), holding forward is also an answer. On top of this, 23 frames (teleport is actually slower than this), after enough practice, can be reacted to, especially considering how distinct teleport's sound cue is, on top of the animation.

If you want to bitch about things that "break the game's mechanics", then bitch about Batman having legit bat release crossups that can be practically impossible to block correctly. Aquaman's trait single-handedly removes the idea of getting punished for playing incorrectly. Characters having OTGs that completely disable wakeups.

You cannot bitch about Scorpion's teleport breaking the game without mentioning EVERYTHING else that does. And if you don't have any issues dealing with it, why again is it a problem? If people can properly counter said option consistently and reliably, then there's not really much of a point arguing against it. Something that changes how you play is not always something that breaks mechanics.

 

[RWDY Nori]

"playing the game that way it was intended" and "rules of the game" and what not are meaningless talking points. Who decides how the game was "meant" to be played?

With Killer Frost I have more fun and "play the game" more against Scorpion than Black Adam.

Regardless, I also played Scorpion using Catwoman and did fine. So it'd be nice if people would stop bringing up my main.

KF happens to have options to deal w/Scorpion. I think playing the game the way it was intended is a valid point, if you disagree then cool. Catwoman is another one who can do pretty well against him. I don't know what other people are bringing up KF or anybody else, just pointing it out cause I know you play her, simple as that.

The issue is not even if he can be beaten or not, of course he can. I just disagree he's a balanced char

 

[SadisticIV]

So who is next to cry about? Seems like Superman or Black Adam win all tournaments unless Chris G uses Green Arrow.. So are people going to start crying about those 2? Or has it already been that way..

 

[Saboteur-6]

I'm doing all I know what to do

I have apologized

I am holding it

And I'm admitting wrong

And I'm moving on

Which is why I, and many others, respect what you have to say.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Why are you pathetic fan boys only criticizing me? Why are other leaders of the community not held accountable?

AK Pig Of The Hut replied to my post and owned up to it like a mature adult and apologized. I have nothing else to say, I made my point and that's it. Men own up to mistakes. Kids make excuses and that's what you continue to do over and over

And many people including myself have respect for Tom Brady/REO but they are not perfect and they make mistakes like the rest of us, and I have criticized this entire group, not just you

 

[16 Bit]

But you and Dizzy did know what you were talking about when you complained about Deathstroke's low gunshots because Slips mopped you two fools up? Dizzy even called Deathstroke's zoning "broken".

Why are you pathetic fan boys only criticizing me? Why are other leaders of the community not held accountable?

We never called for Deathstroke to be banned. And yeah, we did know what we're talking about. Slips was in favor of DS's nerfs and went on to place top 4 at UFGT with the nerfed DS. He is still trying to tell you that DS is a great character. I think everyone in this community knows that Slips is a significantly better IGAU player than you and knows what he's talking about when it comes to DS.

I am criticizing anyone who was part of this Scorpion debacle and won't take responsibility. At least Pig and REO came out and were honest about it.

 

[Garr123]

I would also like to mention it's hilarious and telling how they started coming down on how good Green Arrow is.

Not like ChrisG just put in the fucking work -- nope it's the character.

The mentality here is insane for an FGC. It's blowing my mind right out my head.

 

[16 Bit]

KF happens to have options to deal w/Scorpion. I think playing the game the way it was intended is a valid point, if you disagree then cool. Catwoman is another one who can do pretty well against him. I don't know what other people are bringing up KF or anybody else, just pointing it out cause I know you play her, simple as that.

The issue is not even if he can be beaten or not, of course he can. I just disagree he's a balanced char

So now Catwoman is on that list? Did you think CW could handle Scorpion a day ago? Because I never heard of her being able to compete with him on TYM before. In fact guys like Vulcan Hades had her on the list of characters who got bodied 0-10. How many characters can handle him before he's balanced? Like what's the cut off?

 

[x0Kakashi]

Funny how people are just attacking Dave whilst it was 80% of the community saying scorpion should be banned.
Funny how the same people who were crying that Scorpion was OP are now calling others idiots for saying he was.

sheep.

 

[M2Dave]

We never called for Deathstroke to be banned. And yeah, we did know what we're talking about. Slips was in favor of DS's nerfs and went on to place top 4 at UFGT with the nerfed DS. He is still trying to tell you that DS is a great character. I think everyone in this community knows that Slips is a significantly better IGAU player than you and knows what he's talking about when it comes to DS.

I am criticizing anyone who was part of this Scorpion debacle and won't take responsibility. At least Pig and REO came out and were honest about it.

Again, I suggest you stop name dropping Slips for very obvious reasons.

When you admit to me and to this community that you and Dizzy were wrong about Deathstroke, perhaps we can have a serious discussion.

 

[Tom Brady]

I have ZERO problems with Scorpions nerfs.

The MB teleport was JUSTLY nerfed and I have no problem with it being -8.

 

[Yinze]

I think everyone can agree that if NRS left an MK character out of a DC game none of these problems would of come up. Hes no doubt the hardest nerfed character now so regardless of being banned he got hurt. Wasted dlc slot *sigh*