Players bringing unfair attention to their own character?

[Lumpymoomilk]

Can someone please explain to me how Doomsday has been super neutered?

I know he got the hitbox adjustment on the JD3, and they fixed his 112 string from doing 7% chip on the ender, but what else did they really do to him?

Did the wakeup buff kill him?

Less trait time, the splash size being gone makes starting most decent damage combos harder, and previously on knockdown he still had good smother pressure, now that wake ups are all easy mode he lost that too.

 

[Qwark28]

Less trait time, the splash size being gone makes starting most decent damage combos harder, and previously on knockdown he still had good smother pressure, now that wake ups are all easy mode he lost that too.

the splash nerf was the only thing completely justified

 

[Crazykitana]

i can agree very good right up.
i dont think paulo will ever touch wonder woman in terms of nerfs no way.
shes already the hardest character to use in this game.
Any thing she has is fully justified given the amount for effort she takes ,compared to most of the cast.
shes not seen at majors or locals because people don't really want to work for wins when they have easy access with black adam and superman.
there a reason no one places well with her at any locals, or majors.
i can trust paulo knows what hes doing and has said he will never nerf wonder woman given how hard she is to use well.
shes as fair as they come as far as this game is concerned.

concerning black adam a nerf to dive kick wont affect a smart black adam i can assure you.
its black adam movement and damage that makes him good in this game.
any smart black adam will use his dive kick for whiff punishing purposes only, not for block strings.
hes a very easy character compared to wonder woman but i feel people complain about the wrong things.

 

[SaJa]

This is a simple debate that I feel is worth having.

This isn't really a questions, more than a philosophy, but bare with me, its hard to put into words what I really want to say clearly.

Can a player, by mastering a character to its highest potential, and then playing it to their highest potential, manufacture their own fate, and ultimately get their own character nerfed due to the attention they have created?

Basically, when someone is playing and breaking down a character to its highest potential, are FG communities looking at the character and not the person? Ultimately causing an ''unfair'' nerf, simply because someone just interpreted the game differently with a character, or are just plain better.

I ask this because I am very concerned with how certain people in the community are treating Wonder Woman & Killer Frost right now and the effect it might cause to them (Patch wise), as they are creating the most noise at the moment, at least on boards.

Unless you have been living under a rock (with no internet connection) you will have seen A F0xy Grampa displaying Wonder Woman in her highest potential, and 16Bit playing Frost, 1. Due to the fact that they broke the character down to a science. 2. Are very talented gamers in general & 3. Has interpreted how the game should be played a little differently.

I wouldn't be surprised if Woman Woman and Killer frost both don't make it this time in Patch three...

Has this same pattern not already happened with Deathstroke, Doomsaday & Aquaman, due to players (Aris, CD, Brady), and will this not in fact happen to Killer frost, and now potentially WW?

Is it the character that is looked at, or should the person playing not be given credit instead of having their character nerfed?

Final Note:
Look at the characters that have been nerfed so far, and now look at the players responsible for the attention to said characters, it's no coincidence that they all ''happen to be'' great players, or have great track records and reputations for being good fighting game players. And that for me seems to be the only consistency so far with Injustice and general patching to the game.

Thoughts?

The question is, why is BA still intouchable ? ^^ It is probably the character we see the most in a top 15 tournament.
But I don't think a character get nerfed just because of 1 player. I have Jax in mind.

 

[Lumpymoomilk]

the splash nerf was the only thing completely justified

I agree, phantom hitboxes are dumb, however when they design characters to be pressure characters that have to stay in someone's face to be effective, nerf his trait for staying power and make wake up's easy "get off me" attacks that really kicks any character designed like that right in the balls.

 

[Qwark28]

I agree, phantom hitboxes are dumb, however when they design characters to be pressure characters that have to stay in someone's face to be effective, nerf his trait for staying power and make wake up's easy "get off me" attacks that really kicks any character designed like that right in the balls.

that i agree on

i think he should get his old shake and trait back and make 33 untechable

 

[CrimsonShadow]

In all honesty people have been complaining about Killer Frost since it was first announced that:

A) She had a high-damage easy vortex, and
B) She had a quick completely safe low slide that she could do over and over

This was literally Day 1, before anyone had seen a 'high level' KF play. You can go back and check the threads in the KF forum if you need verification.

Under_The_Mayo It had 0 to do with mastering the character at an elite level.. It was literally like *mechanics announced* ---> "Booooo that's broken"

I think the main thing is, people in a fighting game want to feel like they lost to bad reads or mistakes.. Not to being constantly put in a situation where they have to flip a coin and get lucky, and if they were lucky enough they escape, but unlucky they're blown up. They also want to feel like there's a tradeoff for a character using their main offense/combo starting move, so that it's not mindless and has to be done with consideration.

That's the reason people are complaining about Cammy in SF4 and the reason she's being toned down.

Again, this is not my personal opinion, as I haven't played her enough to know yet one way or the other; but this is why people complained and it started a very long time before seeing more advanced KF play.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

there a reason no one places well with her at any locals, or majors.

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cat bitch dont have no otg, these uk guys spreading miss information

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Denies wakeups, eat a dick

 

[PND i2 Gaug3]

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Denies wakeups, eat a dick

only certain wakeups. Fuck you

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