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Ilthuain

Lost in a labyrinth of egoism
What the fuck does it matter if its a service or if its a box? What matters to me... is prices... rights and gaming. I have no idea what any of what you are saying means in the real world. Probably nothing. Why is it an advantage to sell a service? Does it help me that I can't trade in used games? Does it help me that I have to be forced to connect?

It matters to the people who produce the games you enjoy. The old system of production and marketing is becoming less and less profitable, as games that are a service continue to be more profitable and less inherently risky.

Forcing you to connect helps people who make games, and it allows them to make better games that are more profitable. They use the metrics they gather to determine everything from difficulty levels to most used characters. If they can assume internet connection, they can open up the design to blur the lines between single and multiplayer systems, allowing for more creative expansion of existing genres.

I guess the question is, do you understand that benefiting game creators also benefits the game consumer?
 

JaredL

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It matters to the people who produce the games you enjoy. The old system of production and marketing is becoming less and less profitable, as games that are a service continue to be more profitable and less inherently risky.

Forcing you to connect helps people who make games, and it allows them to make better games that are more profitable. They use the metrics they gather to determine everything from difficulty levels to most used characters. If they can assume internet connection, they can open up the design to blur the lines between single and multiplayer systems, allowing for more creative expansion of existing genres.

I guess the question is, do you understand that benefiting game creators also benefits the game consumer?

I look at games like simcity, and producers like EA and I say no.
 

Onilordasmodeus

My GT: UncappedWheel82
It was a generalized comparison showing that more options and less restrictions ARE ALWAYS more desirable. And why must the user have a kinect to begin with?
I've said again and again. The only "restriction" is having Internet or not...and I think everyone on this board has it.

And why does the user have to have Kinect? IDK. But what difference does it make? If you don't want to use it, let it collect dust, but the chances are that they included it because they are banking on the notion that users and publishers will most likely use it.
 

JaredL

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I've said again again. The only "restriction" is having Internet or not...and I think everyone on this board has it.

And why does the user have to have Kinect? IDK. But what difference does it make? If you don't want to use it, let it collect dust, but the chances are that they included it because they are banking on the notion that users and publishers will most likely use it.

Sony have a kinect clone. Its optional.

Saves us money. Gives us more privacy.
 

Onilordasmodeus

My GT: UncappedWheel82
What the fuck does it matter if its a service or if its a box? What matters to me... is prices... rights and gaming. I have no idea what any of what you are saying means in the real world. Probably nothing. Why is it an advantage to sell a service? Does it help me that I can't trade in used games? Does it help me that I have to be forced to connect?
What matters to you is price, - (PS4 wins out of the gate thus far)

...rights, - (what rights?)

...and gaming. - (which X1 has more of)

Listen, agian, if you don't like what MS is selling, that is fine, but denying that the X1 SERVICES actually bring some advantages to the table that the PS4 doesn't, and acting as if you don't already conect to the internet probably everytime you game, is ridiculous.
 

Ilthuain

Lost in a labyrinth of egoism
In general.

As EA have been given more and more control, via bullshit licensing and used game butchery, they've gotten worse. I want producers to make good games so they sell lots, rather than ensuring they milk me more efficiently.
Making games that appeal to you using the old model did not work, and the shrinking console market is evidence of that. You can raise your arms to the sky and curse the heavens for the current state of the industry, but that's just how things work. Game developers can continue to make AAA games that would've sold well in 2003 and go bankrupt, or they can try to be profitable in the new market.

So part one of what you want is for "producers to make good games..." and under the old model, this is becoming more and more difficult. For them to make games at all, those games need to sell, and fewer products are actually selling to expectation, so companies are more nervous about risks, so they produce less interesting product... and the cycle continues. Games as a service reduces the inherent risk, so developers have more freedom to innovate, which in the end is good for you as a consumer.
 

JaredL

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What matters to you is price, - (PS4 wins out of the gate thus far)

...rights, - (what rights?)

...and gaming. - (which X1 has more of)

Listen, agian, if you don't like what MS is selling, that is fine, but denying that the X1 SERVICES actually bring some advantages to the table that the PS4 doesn't, and acting as if you don't already conect to the internet probably everytime you game, is ridiculous.
Ps4 has more confirmed games and more support for indie games.

Rights? Rights to sell my game to who I want how I want on my terms.
 

Onilordasmodeus

My GT: UncappedWheel82
Physical books don't keep prices high. Greed does. Why do digital games cost as much as physical copies right now?
What? digital games cost the same as phyical copies for the same reason a books.

The real comparison is console verson of digital game A vs PC version digital game A. Console has higher price on average for longer than the PC...because of the physical media tie it has.
 

Onilordasmodeus

My GT: UncappedWheel82
Sony have a kinect clone. Its optional.

Saves us money. Gives us more privacy.
yep, and it will be a successfull as the first one, move, and all the other perifery items no else bought.

Kinect being included with all X1 assures 100% compliance with all X1's so that developers can see and know their toolset clearly.
 

JaredL

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yep, and it will be a successfull as the first one, move, and all the other perifery items no else bought.

Kinect being included with all X1 assures 100% compliance with all X1's so that developers can see and know their toolset clearly.

I don't think many people are excited for kinect. I'd be a lot happier if it wasn't included since its basically a gimmick.
 

Chuckychuck

Warrior
You have it backward. The console market is shrinking, while PC and mobile are growing. The PC and mobile markets sell games as a service, while consoles are tied to physical media.

I'd like to emphasize consoles are what is holding gaming back.

Long time ago in the golden age of PC gaming there was no "next gen". There was simply "new releases". Hardware was improved and released in set intervals. The average gamer could get high graphics now, and medium on the sequel or the next big release.

With every new release there was always one of them which was leaps ahead of the pack and boom, it forced competition. Each new game was an improvement over the last and this in turn promoted growth within the industry. In fact, it was so competitive that the games were pushing the current hardware to its limits at such a pace that people couldn't keep up. This made PC gaming a very expensive habit, especially after owning 3D GPU's became a must have in order to play games.

Then the PS3 and Xbox 360 arrived. People were able to get great 3D graphics, at the time, for a low price of a custom built entry level PC (lol) but since most gamers didn't want to deal with the hassle of building a PC the masses flew from their PC chairs and onto the couch. Owning a console assured gamers that they would get solid high quality graphics for at least 3 years without having to upgrade any hardware. However, in time the devs got lazy because the consoles provided an artificial shield where they could remain in business by releasing cloned games using the same engines and not going beyond the limits of the hardware. Enter the COD era.

Finally, it's very interesting to hear about the stagnation of PC gaming because I can name 1 (one) game on the PC that has a larger user base that the entire Xbox Live online subscriber base.
 

Onilordasmodeus

My GT: UncappedWheel82
Ps4 has more confirmed games and more support for indie games.

Rights? Rights to sell my game to who I want how I want on my terms.
So you support PS4 Indy games then...the ones you have to connect to the internet for, and also cannot trade in. Gotcha.
 

Ilthuain

Lost in a labyrinth of egoism
I don't think many people are excited for kinect. I'd be a lot happier if it wasn't included since its basically a gimmick.

24 million units sold. 8 million sold in the first 60 days.

Somebody out there is excited, it just might not be core gamers.
 

JaredL

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24 million units sold. 8 million sold in the first 60 days.

Somebody out there is excited, it just might not be core gamers.

I sure like having $100 added to the xboxs base price.

Kinect was optional before, now its mandatory. And it jacks up the price.
 

Chuckychuck

Warrior
It matters to the people who produce the games you enjoy. The old system of production and marketing is becoming less and less profitable, as games that are a service continue to be more profitable and less inherently risky.

Forcing you to connect helps people who make games, and it allows them to make better games that are more profitable. They use the metrics they gather to determine everything from difficulty levels to most used characters. If they can assume internet connection, they can open up the design to blur the lines between single and multiplayer systems, allowing for more creative expansion of existing genres.

I guess the question is, do you understand that benefiting game creators also benefits the game consumer?

I can't like this enough. People think marketing methods are used to spy on their porn viewing habits when in fact they can be used for good.
 

xWEBSx

Too old for this Shit
JaredL

You are not getting an XB1.. Got it loud and clear.. Weighing in your opinion is one thing.. But for chrissakes man... You made this thread.. You have either way too much time or are just looking to lure people into arguments.. Both are just bad form man. Fishing for likes or.....?

Ilthuain has been making the most reasonable, and non-biased posts in this thread and you only respond to his remarks with one sentence f at all.. Just sayin..
 

JaredL

Aww shit <REDACTED DUE TO FEELINGS> its Shapzam
JaredL

You are not getting an XB1.. Got it loud and clear.. Weighing in your opinion is one thing.. But for chrissakes man... You made this thread.. You have either way too much time or are just looking to lure people into arguments.. Both are just bad form man. Fishing for likes or.....?

I don't get it, are your feelings hurt when someone criticizes the xbox or what?