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MashBot

You're over matched.
Cool. I really didnt try other wake up because he was doing alot of mid combo resets that were frame traps. Like lex d1 thats on hit is +9 i think and throw is 7 so he can hit confirm. to a throw. Not sure the combos but he have a few. When ever you play a good ares you'll see. To say he is the flash. His start up is kind of sluggish lol
 

Hellion_96

xX_Hellion96_Xx
Cool. I really didnt try other wake up because he was doing alot of mid combo resets that were frame traps. Like lex d1 thats on hit is +9 i think and throw is 7 so he can hit confirm. to a throw. Not sure the combos but he have a few. When ever you play a good ares you'll see. To say he is the flash. His start up is kind of sluggish lol
I posted that ares tech after i played like the second ares i've ever played but i immediately noticed that he can't get up at all and is slow as balls the only threat he has is his zoning which is fast and his jump attacks are pretty decent.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
just grinded 55 online matches against AK Pig Of The Hut Hellion_96 LEGEND DGOD PSYCHO we are still grinding out the MU but MB LC really works well on sinestro from what i have found, now if i try to reversal a projectile i can use that and if i miss the timing am +3 and if i hit 30% into untechable knockdown, also baiting sinestro's wake up option, which is arachnid is key in this MU, every time you knock him down you have to get right next to sinestro, if he arachnids he will eat you full combo fury (offline) and if he's scared to wake up you can start to use you OTG on him more often until you force him to wake up and then you start to punish again. also you have to be patient full screen i can't stress this enough. we are still grinding out the MU and its online so everything has to be taken with a grain of salt, online interfered a lot with punishes and timing and i can't wait to play this MU more with pig online and offline.
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
just grinded 55 online matches against @pig of the hut Hellion_96 LEGEND DGOD PSYCHO we are still grinding out the MU but MB LC really works well on sinestro from what i have found, now if i try to reversal a projectile i can use that and if i miss the timing am +3 and if i hit 30% into untechable knockdown, also baiting sinestro's wake up option, which is arachnid is key in this MU, every time you knock him down you have to get right next to sinestro, if he arachnids he will eat you full combo fury (offline) and if he's scared to wake up you can start to use you OTG on him more often until you force him to wake up and then you start to punish again. also you have to be patient full screen i can't stress this enough. we are still grinding out the MU and its online so everything has to be taken with a grain of salt, online interfered a lot with punishes and timing and i can't wait to play this MU more with pig online and offline.
Sinestro full combo punishes MB LC by crouching. The second hit whiffs.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Sinestro full combo punishes MB LC by crouching. The second hit whiffs.
yeah but if you are sitting there crouching i wouldn't do it, you can't do anything if you crouching and it gives me an opportunity to get in.........the threat of it is more effective than the move its self lol i would only use it if i see that you are walking back, try to react to it, its too fast, and to try to punish projectiles or your backdash.
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
yeah but if you are sitting there crouching i wouldn't do it, you can't do anything if you crouching and it gives me an opportunity to get in.........the threat of it is more effective than the move its self lol i would only use it if i see that you are walking back, try to react to it, its too fast, and to try to punish projectiles or your backdash.
Well yea, obviously you can't sit and wait for it. But Flash also can't just wait for a projectile. If he starts hesitating, Sinesetro can trait charge (and bait it or actually charge his trait).
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Well yea, obviously you can't sit and wait for it. But Flash also can't just wait for a projectile. If he starts hesitating, Sinesetro can trait charge (and bait it or actually charge his trait).
lol i don't wait for projectiles, am a yolo flash player, i feel like there maybe a better flash out there in the future unless he gets buffed more, am too impatient, i won't sit there and wait for anything am moving forwards, when you throw a projectile i duck and try to punish if you start charging trait i always to to punish, and sometimes get blown up for it lol but it worked even though its online i got 30 games on pig vs his 26 on me, i think he 7 wins with scorpion in the beginning and i got 2 wins with him being scorpion, but again this is online, am willing to bet it would be different offline because am impatient and pig is just a better player than i am.
 

MashBot

You're over matched.
lol i don't wait for projectiles, am a yolo flash player, i feel like there maybe a better flash out there in the future unless he gets buffed more, am too impatient, i won't sit there and wait for anything am moving forwards, when you throw a projectile i duck and try to punish if you start charging trait i always to to punish, and sometimes get blown up for it lol but it worked even though its online i got 30 games on pig vs his 26 on me, i think he 7 wins with scorpion in the beginning and i got 2 wins with him being scorpion, but again this is online, am willing to bet it would be different offline because am impatient and pig is just a better player than i am.
Yolo you say? Amen. Congrads on the win
 

LEGEND

YES!
just grinded 55 online matches against @pig of the hut Hellion_96 LEGEND DGOD PSYCHO we are still grinding out the MU but MB LC really works well on sinestro from what i have found, now if i try to reversal a projectile i can use that and if i miss the timing am +3 and if i hit 30% into untechable knockdown, also baiting sinestro's wake up option, which is arachnid is key in this MU, every time you knock him down you have to get right next to sinestro, if he arachnids he will eat you full combo fury (offline) and if he's scared to wake up you can start to use you OTG on him more often until you force him to wake up and then you start to punish again. also you have to be patient full screen i can't stress this enough. we are still grinding out the MU and its online so everything has to be taken with a grain of salt, online interfered a lot with punishes and timing and i can't wait to play this MU more with pig online and offline.
ya, i played this MU on wednesday and its still ass for Sinestro. It got better in version 1.03 but now its back to being god awful
 

LEGEND

YES!
Well yea, obviously you can't sit and wait for it. But Flash also can't just wait for a projectile. If he starts hesitating, Sinesetro can trait charge (and bait it or actually charge his trait).
you can't bait MB LC, you get jailed into both hits if the flash player reacts to it fast enough. So you're either eating 30% or eating a mix-up. Trait charge cancels no longer work. And Sinestro still cant zone at all
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
you can't bait MB LC, you get jailed into both hits if the flash player reacts to it fast enough. So you're either eating 30% or eating a mix-up. Trait charge cancels no longer work. And Sinestro still cant zone at all
I just can't see how Sinestro doesn't zone at all when Flash has no projectiles and the only thing he has to close distance is his normal dash or his BF2. He isn't going to avoid all projectiles or Sinestro's ranged normals.
 

SaJa

FH_FenriR
What you don't want with the flash is being fullscreen against Sinestro. Midscreen you can crouch/running man stance against his ball projectile. Sinestro needs to take damage to get his trait ON and aswell as Flash to get closer.
Flash or Sinestro's waggers kill this matchup. Both trait are fucked up and Flash working back hard in fullscreen.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
I just can't see how Sinestro doesn't zone at all when Flash has no projectiles and the only thing he has to close distance is his normal dash or his BF2. He isn't going to avoid all projectiles or Sinestro's ranged normals.
online its different, sinestro can zone online, especially full screen, offline if am mid screen and you try any kind of zoning its 30% into untechable knockdown which you never want against the flash because if i OTG its a cross up or no cross up vortex still for 57% or if i bait arachnid its 63% gone. also when this match gets into the corner ask @pig of the hut how that is........flash has THE nastiest corner game or top 3 in the entire game, also if you try b13 your dead you will eat the most damaging combo in the flash arsenal, pig started to use b1 arachnid which is online against the flash is safe but i can mix up you up afterwards so if you guess wrong.....60%+ upclose sinestro has to resort to jump axe or cross ups out of corner to just run, and the flash has enough reverse position combos to put you right back in the corner........but i want to play a good sinestro offline before i make miy final decision on the MU.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
AK Pig Of The Hut could you put your input on the MU so far from your prospective? what does sinestro have to do and specific things you are lookin for?
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
AK Pig Of The Hut could you put your input on the MU so far from your prospective? what does sinestro have to do and specific things you are lookin for?

I think knowing that I can duck the one thing that changed the MU drastically (allowing a way to get in for free) i will once again get very comfortable in this mu. That was the one thing that shook my whole game but knowing that now changes my whole appraoch so like i said in pm on psn i wont judge off one series where i wasnt famliar w the changes but its imo still either 5-5 or 6-4 sinestro
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
I think knowing that I can duck the one thing that changed the MU drastically (allowing a way to get in for free) i will once again get very comfortable in this mu. That was the one thing that shook my whole game but knowing that now changes my whole appraoch so like i said in pm on psn i wont judge off one series where i wasnt famliar w the changes but its imo still either 5-5 or 6-4 sinestro
okay cool, what about the corner? what are you looking to do and how are you defending your self with sinestro? also think it could be 5-5 and am down to grind out more matches today if you want :)
 

LEGEND

YES!
I just can't see how Sinestro doesn't zone at all when Flash has no projectiles and the only thing he has to close distance is his normal dash or his BF2. He isn't going to avoid all projectiles or Sinestro's ranged normals.
you don't get it dude, NONE of sinestros projectiles will ever hit Flash. Only at absolute max distance will FB ever hit Flash ducking, Asteroids are hella punishable and slow enough to be punished by straight LC before it even fully comes out. Basically if you use any projectile i either get a free dash or punish you. And now with Flash's LC buff you can't even Trait cancel

Its ridiculous, trust me, i've played this MU on both sides
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
okay cool, what about the corner? what are you looking to do and how are you defending your self with sinestro? also think it could be 5-5 and am down to grind out more matches today if you want :)
well instead of arachnid i will either do nothing or push block

Seriously the one thing that changed last night was allowing the free way in before when i won 18-4 there was no free in. So i think now knowing how to better handle it i feel fine about it. Flash is very viable characte but i dont buy 6-4 over sinestro
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
you don't get it dude, NONE of sinestros projectiles will ever hit Flash. Only at absolute max distance will FB ever hit Flash ducking, Asteroids are hella punishable and slow enough to be punished by straight LC before it even fully comes out. Basically if you use any projectile i either get a free dash or punish you. And now with Flash's LC buff you can't even Trait cancel

Its ridiculous, trust me, i've played this MU on both sides
WoundCowboy vs LEGEND hype evo 2013
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I will say this about the flash community, I love the up-playing and the confidence you guys have w your character. Its pretty awesome compared to in mk when it seemed like there was always so much down playing of ones character. Plus you guys do find a alot of cool shit and tech
 

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
you don't get it dude, NONE of sinestros projectiles will ever hit Flash. Only at absolute max distance will FB ever hit Flash ducking, Asteroids are hella punishable and slow enough to be punished by straight LC before it even fully comes out. Basically if you use any projectile i either get a free dash or punish you. And now with Flash's LC buff you can't even Trait cancel

Its ridiculous, trust me, i've played this MU on both sides
Yea, they whiff if you are sitting there ducking. That won't win the match. And I don't think that MB FB can be punished unless he is in Sinestro's face.
 

LEGEND

YES!
Yea, they whiff if you are sitting there ducking. That won't win the match. And I don't think that MB FB can be punished unless he is in Sinestro's face.
Flash can't punish MB FB, But in most cases there is no way it will hit anyway and you are burning meter on hopes that it will randomly hit

All flash needs to do is walk his way in, all your options are either punishable or a waste of precious meter. If you want to walk your way to the corner be my guest. Also good luck on ever opening a Flash up after he gets a life lead
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
I will say this about the flash community, I love the up-playing and the confidence you guys have w your character. Its pretty awesome compared to in mk when it seemed like there was always so much down playing of ones character. Plus you guys do find a alot of cool shit and tech
we real niggas up in this flash community......we should all be in C.O.R.N :) lol but for real its not up playing, unless it was DGOD PSYCHO pre patch XD we just know the character and what he is capable of, and we love theory fighting :) LBSH in REAL life the flash would just run so fast he would travel back in time before you were born and kill you right there, so automatic win for the flash......don't agree?