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Aw, C'mon Puddin' -- Harley Quinn General Discussion Thread

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I want to thank the Harley community that is sticking by our gal regardless of changes, nerfs, and anything else they throw at us. We may lash out in anger, but not the deconstructive type that separates, but the venting type that pulls us together and aims to push forward through all the bullshit all while aiming to get her respect and viability.

Keep your heads up Harley.. Your day will come eventually.. Keep your nose to the grindstone.. Use one another for support and help.. Savor each well earned victory... HAVE FUN... and always Stay classy!
 

Squizz

Corps Speedster
Harley is way too OP with her sick 50/50's. She needs a big nerf. Plus trait that does a 15% unblockable, come on guys, broken and too OP.
 

TarkatanDentist

Kombatant
In fairness, there are very rare circumstances where you can use her Trait without getting blown up. Don't get me wrong, it's still one of the worst traits in the game, but it's not completely useless at least.

Harley Quinn obviously isn't high tier, but hey, she'll manage somehow. 2b3 mind games are still fun, right?
 

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In fairness, there are very rare circumstances where you can use her Trait without getting blown up. Don't get me wrong, it's still one of the worst traits in the game, but it's not completely useless at least.

Harley Quinn obviously isn't high tier, but hey, she'll manage somehow. 2b3 mind games are still fun, right?
Why should a trait, which is a boon given to each character to help in some way.. That only works in very rare circumstances be thought of as okay, or be used in the same sentence as "in fairness"? If Harley was soooooo OP that her trait was not even missed.. Ok.. But against a cast where the player has to out play the other player and overcome a handicap every single game.. There is just no defending that piece of shit.. Sorry man.
 

xWEBSx

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Harley is way too OP with her sick 50/50's. She needs a big nerf. Plus trait that does a 15% unblockable, come on guys, broken and too OP.
Also.. Mr. Troll errrrrrr.... Squizz... Please enlighten me and the rest of the Harley players and readers about her sick 50/50's... And also.. What do you do about the trait when you go for your OP 15% unblockable trait set up... And rose/picture comes out...appreciate it man!
 

TarkatanDentist

Kombatant
Why should a trait, which is a boon given to each character to help in some way.. That only works in very rare circumstances be thought of as okay, or be used in the same sentence as "in fairness"? If Harley was soooooo OP that her trait was not even missed.. Ok.. But against a cast where the player has to out play the other player and overcome a handicap every single game.. There is just no defending that piece of shit.. Sorry man.
Honestly? Because I don't think Harley particularly needs it. Though if NRS were to buff it (just in case they're reading this, you never know), simply add in an option to choose which item you want rather than it being picked at random (4 for bomb, d4 for rose, b4 for picture), and allow Harley to activate it in mid-air as well as on the ground.

But I think Harley is more solid than is generally given credit for. Her strings are great, her combos are solid and she's got good zoning tools. As said, not high tier, but solid mid tier IMO.
 

ryuandken24

From the page of Cage!

o-o It's really basic stuff with Deathstroke included, but I thought I'd share. Can't wait to see what other players come up with. The online in this game better be good.
I love how you ended that video. Oh yeah those Harley combos are awesome not to big into deathstroke but you where doing awesome with him as well :)
 

Fergus

Like Father, Like Daughter
Her strings aren't really good man, a good few of them are highs and rest don't really give her advantage, f23, the 3 is a high and the f2 before it is like 29f and super easy to jab out.

b2,2 is the only string worth mentioning with her imo. 33 might be good when I have time to test it.
 

xWEBSx

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Honestly? Because I don't think Harley particularly needs it. Though if NRS were to buff it (just in case they're reading this, you never know), simply add in an option to choose which item you want rather than it being picked at random (4 for bomb, d4 for rose, b4 for picture), and allow Harley to activate it in mid-air as well as on the ground.

But I think Harley is more solid than is generally given credit for. Her strings are great, her combos are solid and she's got good zoning tools. As said, not high tier, but solid mid tier IMO.
The only way a character does not need something that is streamlined to the rest of the cast is if they are so strong that it is an afterthought.. All your thoughts and logic place her solid mid tier.. Nothing about that is strong.
She has average/basic zoning tools, sure she has great strings and combos if the opponent doesnt know how to block low...At the end of the day.. A good Harley player can make an average player look baaaaaaad... But you are never going to see a Good Harley player make another good player look bad..

Edit: by the way.. Who is your main?
 

serge

Mortal
I personally like 123 when stuck in corners but yeah b22 is by far her best.
All her strings are easy to block unfortunatly.
 

Squizz

Corps Speedster
Also.. Mr. Troll errrrrrr.... Squizz... Please enlighten me and the rest of the Harley players and readers about her sick 50/50's... And also.. What do you do about the trait when you go for your OP 15% unblockable trait set up... And rose/picture comes out...appreciate it man!
Lol all joking aside, i do think shes a great character and not getting the love she needs from NRS. Keep fighting the good fight guys.
 

TarkatanDentist

Kombatant
The only way a character does not need something that is streamlined to the rest of the cast is if they are so strong that it is an afterthought.. All your thoughts and logic place her solid mid tier.. Nothing about that is strong.
Well, I'm of the 'high tier chars should be nerfed to mid, low tier chars buffed to mid, and mid tier chars should stay the same' school of thought - I'm aware that others prefer 'everyone else should be buffed to be as good as high tier chars', which I guess is fair enough.

She has average/basic zoning tools, sure she has great strings and combos if the opponent doesnt know how to block low...At the end of the day.. A good Harley player can make an average player look baaaaaaad... But you are never going to see a Good Harley player make another good player look bad..

Edit: by the way.. Who is your main?
Yeah, her lack of solid overheads is the main reason she's not high tier - give her Wonder Woman's b2 and we're good to go. :p

Seriously though, Harley Quinn has some pretty decent shit going for her. 2b3 mix-ups can be excellent depending on who your opponent is using, b22 even aside from being a great combo starter is fast and has great frame advantage on block, f23 (which in fairness is easy to revert to standing block on reaction if they know the matchup) likewise has solid frame advantage, and her strings can be cancelled into db2 which, while punishable, you can cancel into a backdash and keep them guessing.

And her MB specials are great too - MB cupcake is obvious, and MB Play Doctor adds huge damage onto her combos. I just don't think she needs buffs especially (not any big ones, at any rate)

If you're interested, my primary character of choice is Raven, though Harley is easily my 2nd/3rd most used.
 

nightE89

Cupcakes!!!
What would really be nice if her cartwheel was an actual overhead instead of a low since the first kick looks like an overhead but o well.

but imo her B22 is one of her best combo starter or keep ppl on their toes, im starting to use ot alot more and more (except batman that man is still a pain in my ass lol)
 

k1nG_Qu1nN

The King
I agree.. The only wins she will take on a pro level is against those not familiar with her matchup... If at all. She is undiscovered at this time, once she gets discovered she may make a minor splash, but down the road she will end up where she is for what she is.. A mid-tier/ low mid-tier character. Which I am fine with cause I love her and will not play anyone else in this game :)
Neither will I.
 

x MAD AXES x

Lighten up will ya!
So I fought a couple of green lanterns in a KOTH match and she outzones him completely, he has to rush her down. The majority of the matches I had taken a bar of them when I had only taken around 1/4. it's 6-4 in harleys favor.
 

k1nG_Qu1nN

The King
So I fought a couple of green lanterns in a KOTH match and she outzones him completely, he has to rush her down. The majority of the matches I had taken a bar of them when I had only taken around 1/4. it's 6-4 in harleys favor.
Green lantern is so easy while playing Harley, I was playing CPU on hard mode and every character took me 5 to 25 times to beat, Green Lantern on the other hand? My first try.
 

x MAD AXES x

Lighten up will ya!
What do you guys think of making SS meterburnable.
The meter burn would give it armor and make it cancellable (unsure about the cancellable thing as it might make it a bit op e.g b3 j3 112 ss mb 12 ss mb 2 ss mb 2 ss mb 2 PD and the opponent is instantly at the wall.)
 

xWEBSx

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I thank god on a daily basis as I play that NRS decided to streamline health and not give different amount per character..
Superman: 2000 health (1000 per round)
Harley: 1000 health (500 per round)

Could you imagine that shit? WHEEE We dodged a bullet there boys :D
THANKS NRS!!!
 

xWEBSx

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What do you guys think of making SS meterburnable.
The meter burn would give it armor and make it cancellable (unsure about the cancellable thing as it might make it a bit op e.g b3 j3 112 ss mb 12 ss mb 2 ss mb 2 ss mb 2 PD and the opponent is instantly at the wall.)
I think Harley not being able to MB any or all of the following is a missed opportunity..

This WTF moment brought to you by NRS.

-SS
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x MAD AXES x

Lighten up will ya!
Yeah, but by the way the tier list goes they might as well have done that because the majority of top tiers are iconic, well known characters (Batman, Superman, Wonder woMAN). Then there's killer frost who I have never heard of.