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big_aug

Kombatant
And big_aug, I live in Houston and train with Cat and the Kombat Houston crew so I have a good idea about some matchups. Even so, you're right. The game is still too young and all characters too unexplored to be throwing around some of these matchup numbers so confidently.
It's not even that the game is young. It's that no one is playing this character. 99% of us are talking shit out of our ass based on online matches against people who are worse and know less than we do. I'm definitely in that 99%. Even in matches where he might be favored, he has to work much harder. No ranged attack fucking sucks ass.

What really pisses me off is that even if you take a substantial life lead, a fucking zoner can chip you out enough to make you go to them to try and finish matches. That's retarded.
 

its_ezie

Apprentice
I strongly disagree

I need to see if a Bane can beat my joker - I think at highest level it's 7-3/8-2

Keep in mind I'm not attacking bane's players I'm just questioning this character's validity in tons of MUs

Lets start w joker
i love the joker matchup. his one of his best weapons being his jump 3 can easily be eatin with banes armor. im not to sure of jokers wake up options so staying on top of him all match is not a problem for bane or it shouldny be.
 

its_ezie

Apprentice
i came on here to see if somebody had finally updated banes MU chart since i seen pig just do one for sinestro but everyones all hostile lol. does anyone have some MU numbers for bane
 

its_ezie

Apprentice
I know it looks weird but im just trying to help bane community find answers cause this one will be a big one to look for. Im not trying to down anyone whatsoever just saying im worried about the character as a whole. Cant play right now but maybe tomorrow, had a rough 24 hours w food poison

i dont mean to but into you guys convo lol but i would love to play a pro with my bane if you arent busy.
 

big_aug

Kombatant
I dunno if Bane really beats Doomsday. Sure, you can stuff his wakeups, but you're trading every time and they do decent damage. It's hard to catch the Venom Upper with a command grab, but the normal venom you can.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
i added your Zod account already still waiting for the acceptance i saw your recording of the name change the other night lol ill add you Pig of the Hut accouny on xbl sometime tomorrow
cool man im on ps3 till sun and mon, ill be back on xbl soon
 
So currently Im maining bane, with having joker as my secondary to deal with all his bad matchups. Currently I have on my list of bad matchups: Supes, GL, Aquaman,BA,NW, and Bats. Does that sound about right? Am i missing any char that i should add? Are any of those characters on there not an actually bad matchup and Im simply doing it wrong? Please, any thoughts would help!
 
So currently Im maining bane, with having joker as my secondary to deal with all his bad matchups. Currently I have on my list of bad matchups: Supes, GL, Aquaman,BA,NW, and Bats. Does that sound about right? Am i missing any char that i should add? Are any of those characters on there not an actually bad matchup and Im simply doing it wrong? Please, any thoughts would help!
Yeah, you basically listed off the main headaches; a well played character out of one of those can give Bane some trouble getting in and trouble when in.

Hawkgirl is also extraordinarily annoying. Sinestro can be very powerful too if played right.
 

Asodimazze

https://twitter.com/AlfioZacco
Basically I don't go toe to toe with Grundy much. Bane's dash's are awesome. Most Grundy's I see will try to WC or do a string into trait often. I will admit WC cancel can be tough but if they aren't hip to it the match is that much easier. So it's a matter of nailing the spacing off blocking the string so he misses trait against your back dash, or back dash the WC at the right time and go into full combo. I've also had success off a well timed nuetral jd3 against WC, creates a cross up behind him. If they try to low poke it will usually be low poke into trait or string to trait, don't try to trade blows. Same thing on his wake ups, basically bait those in the same mannor, you will lose many stuff attempts unless you're on lvl 3 or get the timing just right on what you said. If he's trying to swamp hands a lot all you need is lvl 1 venom to beat it or a simple jump or well timed dash. It's about spacing him to beat his armor and Bane has great range on many of his attacks. If I lose to Grundy it's because I messed up or they are flat out better.

This might be a good gameplan, but all you are saying is about anticipating your opponent move and guessing right.
Every character in the game can neutral jump WC, use crossups against it, or space Grundy right...and Grundy is not going to use Swamp hands a lot since is obvious that you can use venom on reaction and beat it.
Grundy will stay on your face and the damage he deals is usually superior to yours, his corner game is superior too.
You can use LVL 3 Venom to beat his WC/WCC during pressure but that will be a big risk, because if Grundy manages to catch you during the debuff you are dead in one combo.

Its not random. Your timing is off. A slightly delayed b1 into double punch stuffs all of Grundy's wake ups. Worst case you trade armor vs WC and Bane recovers faster.

I never said anything about using WC/WCC on wake up, I was talking about a normal WC/WCC throwed out during some string or to anticipate Bane. It's not practical to have the perfect timing for b1doublepunch to stuff a random WC, you can't time it properly.
On wakeup I still have Cleaver-MBCleaver that is fully invincible you can't stuff it.
 

AA25Mamba

Batman, Scarecrow, Bane
It's as simple as this:

Bane performs well against characters that are more effective up close and against characters with slower projectiles.
 

big_aug

Kombatant
This might be a good gameplan, but all you are saying is about anticipating your opponent move and guessing right.
Every character in the game can neutral jump WC, use crossups against it, or space Grundy right...and Grundy is not going to use Swamp hands a lot since is obvious that you can use venom on reaction and beat it.
Grundy will stay on your face and the damage he deals is usually superior to yours, his corner game is superior too.
You can use LVL 3 Venom to beat his WC/WCC during pressure but that will be a big risk, because if Grundy manages to catch you during the debuff you are dead in one combo.




I never said anything about using WC/WCC on wake up, I was talking about a normal WC/WCC throwed out during some string or to anticipate Bane. It's not practical to have the perfect timing for b1doublepunch to stuff a random WC, you can't time it properly.
On wakeup I still have Cleaver-MBCleaver that is fully invincible you can't stuff it.

No, cleaver also gets stuffed.
 

AA25Mamba

Batman, Scarecrow, Bane
Playing against Grundy is all about noticing tendencies. If the Grundy player like to WCC on wake-up, neautral JD3 and go into a B23 combo. I've also noticed that many Grundy's like to spam the Swamp Hands at a distance. So, after Venom Bebuff I like to dash away from WCC's until it returns. Then it's only a matter of dashing in a few times and buffering a Double Punch or D1 to get Grundy on the ground again.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Qwark28 How do you feel about the Bane vs Black Adam match-up? Adam's got some pretty fucked up shit vs Bane. :(

6-4? 7-3? 8-2?
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Playing against Grundy is all about noticing tendencies. If the Grundy player like to WCC on wake-up, neautral JD3 and go into a B23 combo. I've also noticed that many Grundy's like to spam the Swamp Hands at a distance. So, after Venom Bebuff I like to dash away from WCC's until it returns. Then it's only a matter of dashing in a few times and buffering a Double Punch or D1 to get Grundy on the ground again.
those are reads and a couple of dumb grundies.

i stand by 4 6 vs grundy, he has a slight advantage.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
I think Joker and Lex are horrrrrrible right now.

Both of them can just throw shit down on the ground and then hit you with whatever they fucking feel like. Trying to navigate Joker teeth/Lex mines while they're putting more shit on the screen is like walking on glass while doing a handstand
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
I think Joker and Lex are horrrrrrible right now.

Both of them can just throw shit down on the ground and then hit you with whatever they fucking feel like. Trying to navigate Joker teeth/Lex mines while they're putting more shit on the screen is like walking on glass while doing a handstand
Lex is bad because that shit doesn't go away.
Joker is meh, I mean its our basic block low + dash type junk.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Lex is bad because that shit doesn't go away.
Joker is meh, I mean its our basic block low + dash type junk.
They're both really annoying to get in on. Like, Joker can just be really obnoxious with teeth since its a low and start throwing overheads on top of them.

I only played EMPEROR_DARK and like all EMPs his connection is utter shit, so I won't say I was too comfortable in the match up to begin with as my first good Joker. Pig Of The Hut Cat (if you're on PSN at all) please grind this match up with me lol, I really need to figure it out because it's driving me crazy.