Best naked Czar Toss combo?

[Naug]

Title sums it up good. Trying to figure out what the best combo is after you start your combo with a dbf2 MB. I've done the traditional dbf2 MB, b3, j3, 21~Charge 38% but as I play exclusively online the b3 link is causing a lot of grief.

The alternative I found today is dbf2 MB, b2u1, 113~low chain 38%. Same damage! The b2u1 comes out 5 frames faster than the b3 so the link is pretty much trivial. Distance to the knockdown is pretty much the same, I think this combo leaves you slightly closer to the enemy, both knockdowns are hard KDs as far as I know. The only drawback I found was that this combo does not consume your trait if it's up. A (very) slight advantage however is that you get 44% if you meter burn the low chain as compared to 42% if you meterburn the charge in the traditional combo. Not sure when this would be good other to finish people off that would be left with a sliver of health.

Now I've shared mine. Do you have a better combo starting with toss?

 

[Chaosphere]

Title sums it up good. Trying to figure out what the best combo is after you start your combo with a dbf2 MB. I've done the traditional dbf2 MB, b3, j3, 21~Charge 38% but as I play exclusively online the b3 link is causing a lot of grief.

The alternative I found today is dbf2 MB, b2u1, 113~low chain 38%. Same damage! The b2u1 comes out 5 frames faster than the b3 so the link is pretty much trivial. Distance to the knockdown is pretty much the same, I think this combo leaves you slightly closer to the enemy, both knockdowns are hard KDs as far as I know. The only drawback I found was that this combo does not consume your trait if it's up. A (very) slight advantage however is that you get 44% if you meter burn the low chain as compared to 42% if you meterburn the charge in the traditional combo. Not sure when this would be good other to finish people off that would be left with a sliver of health.

Now I've shared mine. Do you have a better combo starting with toss?

Check my combo chart I made on this forum.

Without trait and only using 1 bar of meter, my forward moving combo is 39% and my backwards moving combo is 38%.

Those are the highest damaging I've found so far.

 

[Ansumana]

It's definitely not his most damaging option, but one of my favorites is following with: b2u1, 12 1+3 because it's stupid easy to hit even in lag and puts them in a perfect downed spot for immediate wake-up shenanigans: czar throw, db3, b3 MB, df1, df1d, 3~charge MB

Perfect range for all of it without being too close. It's not a hard knockdown though, so follow-up rhythm is key with whatever you decide to do.

 

[Spookyman]

Just gonna go ahead and quote myself, without knowing how to actually quote:

dbf2 MB, b3, j3, 21, db2

39% without trait, 44% with trait

EDIT: Because people say it's important, this ends behind, and you can MB db2 for I think 2-3% more, and end in whatever direction, I would have to go check.

 

[Naug]

Just gonna go ahead and quote myself, without knowing how to actually quote:

dbf2 MB, b3, j3, 21, db2

39% without trait, 44% with trait

But combos ending with db2 pushes your enemy really far away. What oki do you use on that knockdown?

 

[Naug]

Check my combo chart I made on this forum.

Without trait and only using 1 bar of meter, my forward moving combo is 39% and my backwards moving combo is 38%.

Those are the highest damaging I've found so far.

Yeah I've checked your combo chart out and it is excellent. I've been practicing Toss, b3, j3, 21~Charge which I got from your list. But as I said I play exclusively online and the b3 is like Emperor Palpatine, not very forgiving.

 

[Dulllyanna]

After EX dbf2 I just do b2u1 113 xx bf3 for strong knockdown. It's about 38% iirc, gives his best wakes and is really damned easy.

 

[StevoSuprem0]

Just gonna go ahead and quote myself, without knowing how to actually quote:

dbf2 MB, b3, j3, 21, db2

39% without trait, 44% with trait

EDIT: Because people say it's important, this ends behind, and you can MB db2 for I think 2-3% more, and end in whatever direction, I would have to go check.

I do this, but I end with bf3 instead of db2 to stay close and keep the pressure on. Same damage with or without trait.