Maybe its just me...

[Compbros]

lol, I'm not asking for REALLY small stages for bane.

I was just comparing the pacing of the matches between injustice and SSBM.

You talk about traveling speed but dashes are RIDICULOUS in this game. Some characters can cover the entire full screen distance in three dashes.

 

[RYX]

Full combo react to it, maybe.

But armoring or poking through it, no.

It's not like you're not going to press buttons after a blocked regular Elbow Dash anyways.

EX Dash goes through some armor moves. :3

Knowing dash distance and how to fuck them up with it with dash~grab and double dashes makes it a solid tool, IMO the best mobility tool.

But you can generally poke it, yes,

 

[DJ L Toro]

I would like to respond to the last part. I'm pretty sure Aris is doing extremely well in SoCal. He is making a couple of top MK players look free in IGAU.

that's fine, he's a good player, but those are locals, doesnt count for much.
also, wasnt he an mk player for a bit? he got 9th at evo 2011 right?

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

EX Dash goes through some armor moves. :3

Knowing dash distance and how to fuck them up with it with dash~grab and double dashes makes it a solid tool, IMO the best mobility tool.

But you can generally poke it, yes,

Of course it's one of the best mobility tools (not beating Kabal's NDC though). And either way, he will not get his +5 from the Elbow Dash.

 

[DJ L Toro]

It is because Injustice is not MK10. Injustice is a new take in the 2D fighting game genre, with a combination of old and proven elements from other mainstream series and new elements not seen before.

Capcom has over 20 years of experience under they belt making fighting games, yet they "graced" us with Capcom Fighting Jam/Evolution and Vanilla SFxT. So yeah, even the most experimented can make mistakes when tackling something new.

this is a stupid argument. It doesnt matter if it is mk10 or not, but if it has many of the same early problems as mk9, then they're doing something wrong in the development process.

 

[CCVengeance]

About to jump online to play this garbage game.

 

[Bolo Yeung]

Injustice is better. Time for MK-only dudes to realize they are just bad at fighting games, ergo they prefer a bad fighting game.

 

[RYX]

Of course it's one of the best mobility tools (not beating Kabal's NDC though). And either way, he will not get his +5 from the Elbow Dash.

No, but you get distance and AFAIK free force balls against some of the characters this works on.

 

[Compbros]

this is a stupid argument. It doesnt matter if it is mk10 or not, but if it has many of the same early problems as mk9, then they're doing something wrong in the development process.

What same problems Toro? Sorry, I haven't read through this entire thread in case you've already stated them.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

No way. Injustice isn't that type of game.

If Player A is worse than Player B, Player A won't win. No matter how many interactables they throw.

Lol tell that to the night wing vs black Adam MU on metropolis rooftop

 

[RoGE]

Really can't see this thread going anywhere. All I see is just another vs. thread, a pointless battle of preference that will lead to nothing.

Besides, It's just way too early to give Injustice a fair judgement. Give it a few years of patches and let the game evolve then see how it turns out.

 

[Wemfs]

Showtime Yeah I agree. IMO Reptile is one of the deepest characters in MK. I never understood the immense amount of downplaying he received coming from people who mained him. I always thought those players just plain ol' weren't good with him and didn't understand him. You and Han are the top Reptile players in my book. One of my favorite characters to watch at a high level.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

No, but you get distance and AFAIK free force balls against some of the characters this works on.

Forceballs aren't free. AFAIK against mid-high to higher tier characters.

 

[DJ L Toro]

What same problems Toro? Sorry, I haven't read through this entire thread in case you've already stated them.

cheap safe shit that people are obviously going to exploit until it's not safe anymore. it was off of m2dave's post where he noted that the gameplan in this game is very simple, one move for footsies and safe mixups once you're in and you dont have to learn anything else about your character after that, so most people dont. this foo said that it was also a problem early in mk9, so it doesnt matter, but i'm saying that there's no excuse for a dev not to have corrected shit that they corrected in the previous game before releasing a new game. that's just bad game development.

 

[SLy]

Injustice is disappointing for me so far....expecially for
7) Can't stand block without going backwards

This one made me laugh lmfao.
This is pretty much in every other game.

 

[Critical-Limit]

You talk about traveling speed but dashes are RIDICULOUS in this game. Some characters can cover the entire full screen distance in three dashes.

yeah i know lol.

but I mean... those "near full screen dashes"

can't cover speed like this game.

Is all I'm saying.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Showtime Yeah I agree. IMO Reptile is one of the deepest characters in MK. I never understood the immense amount of downplaying he received coming from people who mained him. I always thought those players just plain ol' weren't good with him and didn't understand him. You and Han are the top Reptile players in my book. One of my favorite characters to watch at a high level.

I still downplay Reptile to this day but only half-serious.

At the time I was just pissed about how he was thought to be top 10 just because of Elbow Dash. Same way as how Raiden was placed top 5 to some 'cause of Teleport. And I didn't even main Raiden.

 

[Ca$hFlagg]

I read a couple pages and it was enough for me.

I'm loving Injustice. I'm loving it enough to make up for a lot of the hate the game is getting.

I love interactables. I'm loving them enough to make up for a lot of hate they are getting.

I love that there is little comeback factor. I love the footsies, the depth (yes depth), I love how easy the combos are. Lets be serious here, I'm able to keep my mind on the game instead of timing my reptile NJP.

I love how "pros" get to come in and call people they lose to, "scrubs", because they keep looking for their ex shoulder charge button.

This game ain't MK and I love it for that.

Dash cancel is scrubby
Tele 3 is scrubby
Unavoidable resets are scrubby
+ frame 6 frame armor is scrubby
Random Toasty Boost is scrubby
Combo breakers are scrubby

The best part about it is that I paid for the game just as all these "pros" and my opinion means just as much as theirs.

Pros,

You are the minority. What you think about this game will have no impact on the future of this game. This game will not die because Scar and Pig and "others" think its scrubby.

Honestly, I don't think its scrubby enough for some of them to be as successful as they were at mk.

Don't get it twisted.

 

[Wemfs]

Scrub alert

 

[CCVengeance]

says the superman player

I'm a Superman player and I'm not enjoying THAT much.

 

[Perfect Legend]

I hate to say this but interactables are starting to take away from the match for some stages. For example Rooftop of Metropolis its all about Power Chars and being in the right place at the right time. Arhkam Asylum is moreso about knowing the terrain.

 

[Compbros]

yeah i know lol.

but I mean... those "near full screen dashes"

can't cover speed like this game.

Is all I'm saying.

This is true but they're different games and different mechanics, it's hard to compare them and say that you wish "A" was more like "B" when the "A" way works fine for the "A" game.

 

[RYX]

Forceballs aren't free. AFAIK against mid-high to higher tier characters.

It's not like they can just stuff it either considering the distance put between you. Especially vs a character like Cage when they go through each other.

If you want to help me find which moves EX Dash passes through that'sdbe neat.

 

[CCVengeance]

It's not like they can just stuff it either considering the distance put between you. Especially vs a character like Cage when they go through each other.

If you want to help me find which moves EX Dash passes through that'sdbe neat.

I dont have MK(and considering the netcode issues I wont ever) so it's not my place to say but people havent doen this already?

 

[Critical-Limit]

This is true but they're different games and different mechanics, it's hard to compare them and say that you wish "A" was more like "B" when the "A" way works fine for the "A" game.

yeah they are different. I agree.

I wasn't trying to compare the games exactly.

just the "pacing"

I come from a smasher background in the FGC. MK9 was my first fighter outside of smash that I truly enjoyed day1 til today. I gave SSFIV a really hard try because my best friend played it. while I had some mild fun playing with my friends. I can't say I enjoyed the game as much as many others do.

I REALLY respect Injustice, and SSFIV. My history of playing really fast fighting games though, I think I just like it to be really fast paced.