General/Other Buff DS trait , its useless now .

[DuskAlloy]

If you think Deathstrokes strength was in his zoning, which is still amazing, then you really need to play him up close.

Less lead, and more steel.

Jared, once again im not trying to be rude, but do you even main deathstroke? because if not it is very insulting to DS mains by saying we dont know anything about my character, if I went into the Shazam or bane forums and told everyone that the reason why bane or shazam are considered low tier are because they are playing them wrong, how well do you think that would turn out for me?

 

[JaredL]

Jared, once again im not trying to be rude, but do you even main deathstroke? because if not it is very insulting to DS mains by saying we dont know anything about my character, if I went into the Shazam or bane forums and told everyone that the reason why bane or shazam are considered low tier are because they are playing them wrong, how well do you think that would turn out for me?

Its a stupid notion that only mains of each character are allowed to speak about balance.

If I, as someone who uses Black Adam mostly was the sole person allowed to speak for Black Adam, do you think I will be fair and balanced? Fuck no. Black Adam buffs all around. And if only people who don't play Black Adam were allowed to speak, what would happen? Nerfs man. Nerfs.

You need a balance. Now, I know enough about deathstroke from facing him, to fear him more up close, than far away. His mix ups are golden. His frame data up close is deadly. You aren't a Bane or a Shazam, you are up there.

Does it suck you got nerfed? Yes. Was it needed? Not really. Is it the end of the world? Hell no.

 

[Espio]

Your trait..... try buffing cyborgs trait. Damn stfu lol

lol <3.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Its a stupid notion that only mains of each character are allowed to speak about balance.

If I, as someone who uses Black Adam mostly was the sole person allowed to speak for Black Adam, do you think I will be fair and balanced? Fuck no. Black Adam buffs all around. And if only people who don't play Black Adam were allowed to speak, what would happen? Nerfs man. Nerfs.

You need a balance. Now, I know enough about deathstroke from facing him, to fear him more up close, than far away. His mix ups are golden. His frame data up close is deadly. You aren't a Bane or a Shazam, you are up there.

Does it suck you got nerfed? Yes. Was it needed? Not really. Is it the end of the world? Hell no.

And you totally missed my point, we know how good he is up close, of course we know, hell do you think that somehow magically every other character main knew but somehow we didn't? But the attitude that so may non deathstroke mains are showing right now is that they know our fucking tools more then us, and btw yes I did play as both shazam and bane for a time so I know what their issues are, I know that DS isnt bottom tier and I believe most DS mains have said that they dont believe he is the worst character in the game or if they did they said they overreacted

 

[BlaqandMild15]

We can hold out for the hopes that the noobs will start crying about Superman, Black Adam, Aquaman, Killer Frost, and Batman enough for them to be nerfed down to Slade's level though. NRS likes appealing to crying noobs.

They appeal to crying noobs because the ''crying noobs'' is where they make their money. Not people here on TYM. And that's how it should be if they want to stay in business.

 

[JaredL]

And you totally missed my point, we know how good he is up close, of course we know, hell do you think that somehow magically every other character main knew but somehow we didn't? But the attitude that so may non deathstroke mains are showing right now is that they know our fucking tools more then us, and btw yes I did play as both shazam and bane for a time so I know what their issues are, I know that DS isnt bottom tier and I believe most DS mains have said that they dont believe he is the worst character in the game or if they did they said they overreacted

I'm not saying you don't know your tools, or that I know them better. I'm just saying you're valuing stuff wrong. LGS is being seen as the be all and end all of deathstroke, while his upclose game isn't even mentioned when it comes to discussing the nerf.

 

[SLy]

Quick question to ds players.

Can you activate trait safetly after a successful clash?

 

[Axel_Redd]

what was the way to set up the trait before the recent patch?

 

[DuskAlloy]

I'm not saying you don't know your tools, or that I know them better. I'm just saying you're valuing stuff wrong. LGS is being seen as the be all and end all of deathstroke, while his upclose game isn't even mentioned when it comes to discussing the nerf.

Yes like I was saying we know how good he is up close and he is fairly good, the problem is that fairly good is not enough in this game, DS will have to deal with the likes of Aquaman, Nightwing, GL, Batman, Superman, etc up close, and these characters will wreck him.
Now I know people will bring up Ares winning wednsday night fights with nerfed DS and I congragulate him, but I still hold a large doubt that DS will get that high of rankings further down the games life as he is now, and to be honest I'm afraid this may not be the last nerf he recieves
Also, his low gunshot was his go to tool for zoning, his high gun shots are duckable and maching gun is useless for the most part, air guns also have recieved hits in recover like lgs, so yes his zoning is hurt too

 

[JaredL]

Yes like I was saying we know how good he is up close and he is fairly good, the problem is that fairly good is not enough in this game, DS will have to deal with the likes of Aquaman, Nightwing, GL, Batman, Superman, etc up close, and these characters will wreck him.
Now I know people will bring up Ares winning wednsday night fights with nerfed DS and I congragulate him, but I still hold a large doubt that DS will get that high of rankings further down the games life as he is now, and to be honest I'm afraid this may not be the last nerf he recieves
Also, his low gunshot was his go to tool for zoning, his high gun shots are duckable and maching gun is useless for the most part, air guns also have recieved hits in recover like lgs, so yes his zoning is hurt too

His zoning is not dead. Simply, he needs to be smarter. Lets not make mountains out of a few frames.

 

[DuskAlloy]

His zoning is not dead. Simply, he needs to be smarter. Lets not make mountains out of a few frames.

I never said his zoning is dead, I said his zoning is hurt, it really isnt hard to get in on him now, and then he will have to fight the characters ive mentioned close up

 

[Tavaski]

Wish NRS could buff fundamentals too, some of u ppl need it.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Wish NRS could buff fundamentals too, some of u ppl need it.

Thanks for trying to prolong this shit by instigating people again, really appreciate it

 

[Mikman360]

Now now, we can't ALL be top tier. Because then, no one would be top tier.




Not bitching, just wondering why you want to fix someone who is still top tier.

You wouldn't feel so comfortable saying that if Black Adam got nerfed (more rightfully so) and DS was left untouched.

 

[Tavaski]

Thanks for trying to prolong this shit by instigating people again, really appreciate it

No prob... Easy money

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

what was the way to set up the trait before the recent patch?

Air GS. And gimmicks.

 

[JaredL]

You wouldn't feel so comfortable saying that if Black Adam got nerfed (more rightfully so) and DS was left untouched.

I'm not saying DS needed to be nerfed, I certainly never called for it. I was calling more for AM, SM and BM nerfs.

What I'm saying is, the nerfs did happen, and its not the end of the world.

 

[DuskAlloy]

I'm not saying DS needed to be nerfed, I certainly never called for it. I was calling more for AM, SM and BM nerfs.

What I'm saying is, the nerfs did happen, and its not the end of the world.

And most Deathstroke mains agree with you, but we do want some sort of compensation for our loss and this was just an idea, whether or not it would work

 

[JaredL]

And most Deathstroke mains agree with you, but we do want some sort of compensation for our loss and this was just an idea, whether or not it would work

Short of giving you back what you had, which would be an exercise in futility, I don't see what you can buff or change.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Short of giving you back what you had, which would be an exercise in futility, I don't see what you can buff or change.

Well this was an idea and maybe someone else will think of something else, but unfortunately people have to come in and start shit when this got old yesterday morning, I swear I would be banned if I said bane mains were whiny bitches in their forum lol (Which btw I dont think before someone gets angry at me)

 

[JaredL]

Well this was an idea and maybe someone else will think of something else, but unfortunately people have to come in and start shit when this got old yesterday morning, I swear I would be banned if I said bane mains were whiny bitches in their forum lol (Which btw I dont think before someone gets angry at me)

How about... making his sword flip safer. Not killer frost safe, but maybe -8 or something.

Maybe make his 323 no longer a dead string?

Faster start up/recovery on his machine gun?

 

[SLy]

So I take it nobody even took the time to find out..smh

 

[DuskAlloy]

How about... making his sword flip safer. Not killer frost safe, but maybe -8 or something.

Maybe make his 323 no longer a dead string?

Faster start up/recovery on his machine gun?

I think sword being safe might help, you would have to ask the better DS players tbh about possible buffs, because right now Im not sure, but it would have to be something that compliments his upclose game

 

[JaredL]

I think sword being safe might help, you would have to ask the better DS players tbh about possible buffs, because right now Im not sure, but it would have to be something that compliments his upclose game

Actually, sinestro is a good example. His arachnid got buffed to be from -34 to -12

-12 seems reasonable on block. Better than -21

And 323 was safe I believe, while 32 is -6 IIRC. Would give him more block strings and options for pressure I guess.

Maybe even give back his old scaling. He used to do plenty of damage from... nothing, in old builds.

 

[DuskAlloy]

Actually, sinestro is a good example. His arachnid got buffed to be from -34 to -12

-12 seems reasonable on block. Better than -21

And 323 was safe I believe, while 32 is -6 IIRC. Would give him more block strings and options for pressure I guess.

Maybe even give back his old scaling. He used to do plenty of damage from... nothing, in old builds.

Well like I was saying you may wanna ask the better DS players, I understand him but right now I am stumped on how to improve him lol