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PND i2 Gaug3

NERF Everything, LEAVE Nothing
Cant be asked to tag people normally.

The best thing he has for wiff punishing is his B22 string and if canceled into pound it can crossover and is safe if blocked (only way to counter this is to walk forward of dash forward all you have to do is read that and punish apropriately)

As you have stated it is back dashable If you think they are going to backdash do it again it will catch the backdash (black adam has to back dash twice or be forced to block the last 2)
 

DGOD PSYCHO

#YOLOSWAGMUFFIN
stb gr8one 06 agrees with everything i said on mku, about flash being buffed.
Superman can back dash flash, and punish him with a 8frame F2.
thats fucked up.
No you cannot punish back dashes in a real match ._.
 

DGOD PSYCHO

#YOLOSWAGMUFFIN
People punish backdashes ALL THE TIME in tournament matches. I'm sorry but you honestly have ZERO idea as to what you are talking about.

You need to take the time to play more games and learn the mindgames involved with backdashing/punishing backdashes.
you're never going to punish a back dash with flash, get real. you don't main flash, and have no idea what you are talking about. I actually have flash as one of my mains, I know whats practical. Lol. I've been to offline tourneys too bud. But like i said you guys arent talking it from my shoes, you guys are saying what loooks good on paper and what sounds right in strategy, but in a real match it wont work.
please don't get me wrong. you are a great player, You do excellent. But what you are saying doesn't work with flash, trust me.
 

GuamoKun

I Break Hearts, Not Combos
you're never going to punish a back dash with flash, get real. you don't main flash, and have no idea what you are talking about. I actually have flash as one of my mains, I know whats practical. Lol. I've been to offline tourneys too bud. But like i said you guys arent talking it from my shoes, you guys are saying what loooks good on paper and what sounds right in strategy, but in a real match it wont work.
Flash can do his little elbow charge move thing to punish back dashes. I do the same thing with Nightwing's Flying Grayson and it's SLOWER.

and maybe have you perhaps thought that....the people you fight aren't playing at the highest level?
 

DGOD PSYCHO

#YOLOSWAGMUFFIN
Flash can do his little elbow charge move thing to punish back dashes. I do the same thing with Nightwing's Flying Grayson and it's SLOWER.

and maybe have you perhaps thought that....the people you fight aren't playing at the highest level?
Lol im a broken record that im repeating this again...
that only works on B22. after f213, Lightning charge goes through back dash invincibility frames.
 

godlessmode

Apprentice
I'm trying to make sure I understand this thread correctly.

1. Flash has block strings that can be escaped via backdash. (Same goes for basically every character in the game)
2. Flash has tools that CAN punish those escapes. (Same goes for basically every character in the game)

What would you consider a reasonable game flow after an opponent has blocked your string? And when you describe this, take a moment to describe it from the perspective of the opponent as well. What is a reasonable experience for them in this case?
 

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
you're never going to punish a back dash with flash, get real. you don't main flash, and have no idea what you are talking about. I actually have flash as one of my mains, I know whats practical. Lol. I've been to offline tourneys too bud. But like i said you guys arent talking it from my shoes, you guys are saying what loooks good on paper and what sounds right in strategy, but in a real match it wont work.
please don't get me wrong. you are a great player, You do excellent. But what you are saying doesn't work with flash, trust me.
You're an idiot. Many many tournament players have tried explaining to you exactly how to punish backdashes, and yet you refuse to believe any of us.

It's extremely obvious that you don't understand the first thing about how to deal with backdashes, even though it's such a simple topic.



a. If you think they are going to backdash, do a MB Ground Pound. If you guess correctly you get a huge combo. If you guess incorrectly you MIGHT be punished, or you might cross them up for a full combo or at worst +11.

b. If you think that they aren't going to backdash, do another string. If you guess right you get pressure or a combo. If you guess wrong then they are backing themselves into the corner where backdashing won't work at all.



It's very simple. I'm sure you can understand this.
 

DGOD PSYCHO

#YOLOSWAGMUFFIN
You're an idiot. Many many tournament players have tried explaining to you exactly how to punish backdashes, and yet you refuse to believe any of us.

It's extremely obvious that you don't understand the first thing about how to deal with backdashes, even though it's such a simple topic.



a. If you think they are going to backdash, do a MB Ground Pound. If you guess correctly you get a huge combo. If you guess incorrectly you MIGHT be punished, or you might cross them up for a full combo or at worst +11.

b. If you think that they aren't going to backdash, do another string. If you guess right you get pressure or a combo. If you guess wrong then they are backing themselves into the corner where backdashing won't work at all.



It's very simple. I'm sure you can understand this.
lol. expecting them to do ridiculous reads, you don't have a first insight of playing with flash okay heres what i want you to do.
Do a FT3 with any reputable, good KF player, or even nightwing.
Make sure they know how to escape his strings.
Good luck.
 

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
i'm going to be making a video of how flash can be punished.. hopefully that will open some minds.
dude you can backdash like 99% of the strings in this game after you block a string

you aren't going to open anybody's mind, everybody knows this already and we have all learned how to deal with it

you are literally like a month or more behind in terms of tech in this game, and that's impressive considering when the game came out
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Balance is overrated. Everyone seems to be idealists and want some mythical perfectly balanced game. That game doesn't exist, because balance is subjective. Some see it as no one having bad match-ups, other see it as the worse match-ups being 6-4. Others don't count MU's at all, they see balance as every character being able to compete in a tournament setting, as in the worst character has just as good of a chance as the best character. This type of universally accepted balance will never happen because it can't happen. Once you buff a character to deal with a certain character, that buff affects its other MU's, same with nerfing.

The whole "balance is boring" argument is pointless, because that too is subjective. That's not an argument worth arguing because you can never prove everyone thinks balance is boring. So I say balance is overrated, because it is. The only thing balance accomplishes is more fun for the player, and more enjoyable to watch for some. While those may be important to some, they aren't to all.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Akuma in SSF4 just looks so strong because of Infiltration, he is an amazing player.
And lately Gen is winning a lot of tournaments because of Xian. Again, because of the amazing player not because of the character.
At the highest level, Akuma must be very strong.

It's the same with Kabal and REO. :16Bit
 

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
First of all, I would like to thank everyone for participating in such a AMAZING thread!

DGOD PSYCHO, I'm trying to follow your point, but it's proven difficult because of your grammatically horrid sentences. Are you simply saying you cannot punish an opponents back dash? The only way to do such a thing consistently is to make a guess basically. Or a make a "read." There is nothing more to it. If every character in IGAU could punish someone for just walking it would be a terrible game lol. Punishing a back dash is something that will require making correct reads and learning how your opponent plays. There are no shortcuts.
 

Mr. Mileena

Champion
This is what happens when people actually have to think in a situation rather than mindlessly press buttons...they call for nerfs/buffs to overcome mental obstacles that get in their way.

Wake-Up, this game requires you to think much more than MK9, and this game is already weeding out the people who are unable to adapt or who complain it's too much work.

Flash is fine for the nth time.