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To the people crying for nerfs and buffs and so-called rumors...

Solid

The Longbow Hunter.
Stopped reading here

and threw myself out the window with the PC wrapped arround my neck.


Edit: Ok dammit I read further and the argument you said about "unfairly" didn't help you at all in your statement. PL winning with the nerfed KungLao proves the character with all the nerfs, was STILL a good/better/TOP character. So the nerfs were FAIR.

And the fact that the top cream players could punish the un-nerfed kung lao doesn't mean the rest of the world has to suffer for it. The nerfs were perfect in that they didn't lower the character but made it more accessible to the rest of the players to punish.
No it doesn't. Perfect Legend beat everybody by having a better grasp of the game. It shows that even with Kung Lao nerfed he outplayed everybody. He would do it with any decent character too. I mean he is the only one to take a major with Raiden. People say Raiden isn't that good. That didn't stop him from dominating with him. Perfect Legend won with Kung Lao because of his reads and his understanding of the game. People di'nt know hos to exploit Kung Lao for two EVO'S. That is a fact.
 

cyke_out

Warrior
So in other words I'm just gonna have to remain free to Doomsday because learning the MU has no effect it seems. And I main Harley.
Or get a better internet service. or only face people with at least 3 bars. I have no issues blocking the move on-line.
 

Solid

The Longbow Hunter.
I never said you were against buffing characters, in fact I never said you were against buffing at all. However, even now you show an absolution mentality about things. Instead of these long rants, simply say "If you are going to ask for things, ask for a few small things instead of one big thing, and ask it of your own character instead of the characters of others."

It translates the same points coming across and saves you a lot of typing.
Dude I can express my opinion in whatever way I want. I'm not insulting or offending anybody. You don't like my post that is fine. It doesn't matter, it just my opinion about the current state on TYM. What you don't get to do is tell me how I should do my write up. You don't get to.
 

coolwhip

Master
Similarly, alot of players picked up Cage for JOP's F3,2~nutpunch vortex, and was also nerfed, which was necessary because you aren't supposed to be able to link specials on a grounded opponent after a complete string. That'd be like 333~ghostball working with Noob Saibot.
What are you talking about? 111~spear works all the time for me.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Dude I can express my opinion in whatever way I want. I'm not insulting or offending anybody. You don't like my post that is fine. It doesn't matter, it just my opinion about the current state on TYM. What you don't get to do is tell me how I should do my write up. You don't get to.
What I did was suggest a different phrasing, restated your ideals as I interpreted it, and explained the benefit of such action.

Now if I had said "You need to have x opinion." or "You can't say y" then that would be telling you how you do your write up.
For example, "You can't say I don't get to." and "Because your opinion is incorrect, you don't get to be so defensive over it." would be telling you how to respond, rather than me explaining my side of things completely independent from yours outside of direction.

If you want people to really follow your point, it would be better for you to say it in a form that isn't a wall of text which holds fallacies and the whatnot. Simple statements go much further and translate the point far better, and leave much less room for such literary error. Note I never said your opinion was wrong, rash and absolutist perhaps but not wrong. Likewise, I had also given an opinion on the matter as a whole which you promptly took as a personal attack. I can give suggestion as much as I feel, unless you are apt to suppress the opinions of others in favor of your own, and it is not my problem how you interpret such things as you do not have to take action upon such requests.

By the by, when you end a statement with "that is a fact." that makes it an absolutist stance since you are taking your argument as fact moreso than what it is, being a theory.
 

Bildslash

Goro Lives 
I main Doomsday/Sinestro and I gotta say Doomsday's overhead to low is really hard to block against online with frame window seems to small, You can interupt before he does it with D1 but in the corner online is a different story, Then again i've never played with anyone offline so i don't know how it is. His bodypress shouldnt off been nerfed in the first place you can see it coming a mile off and change block direction in time. But maybe his Earthquake could do with some extra frames for when he transitions from overhead to low...maybe.
IMO the solution would be to turn it into a non-knockdown attack. What makes it good is the speed of the OH-L combo; doesn't matter how much they practice, when that special is mixed up with others your opponents timming will always be thrown off eventually. But by knocking down it makes it way too easy to trap the opponent in the corner. If it doesn't knockdown it would pushback giving the opponent no excuse to escape before we get in there again.
 

Solid

The Longbow Hunter.
What I did was suggest a different phrasing, restated your ideals as I interpreted it, and explained the benefit of such action.

Now if I had said "You need to have x opinion." or "You can't say y" then that would be telling you how you do your write up.
For example, "You can't say I don't get to." and "Because your opinion is incorrect, you don't get to be so defensive over it." would be telling you how to respond, rather than me explaining my side of things completely independent from yours outside of direction.

If you want people to really follow your point, it would be better for you to say it in a form that isn't a wall of text which holds fallacies and the whatnot. Simple statements go much further and translate the point far better, and leave much less room for such literary error. Note I never said your opinion was wrong, rash and absolutist perhaps but not wrong. Likewise, I had also given an opinion on the matter as a whole which you promptly took as a personal attack. I can give suggestion as much as I feel, unless you are apt to suppress the opinions of others in favor of your own, and it is not my problem how you interpret such things as you do not have to take action upon such requests.

By the by, when you end a statement with "that is a fact." that makes it an absolutist stance since you are taking your argument as fact moreso than what it is, being a theory.
It is a fact that PL is the only Raiden to win a major.

You are entitled to your opinion.

My grammar might be faulty but so is your interpretation. I don't care if people follow my point or not. It is just an opinion. If people think the same way as me or not doesn't really matter. What matter is that I can write in whatever way I want. You are giving an absolutist opinion in that things go over better in a simple way and a bigger write up would be obsolete. Show me where this has been proven. Show me and I won't do a big write up ever again.

Please show me why you say my opinion is absolutist and I will sure to change it cause it really wasn't meant to be that way.

Edit: I see, and apologize. The that is a fact should have come after the winning with Raiden etc. I don't know why I wrote it at the end. Please elaborate on the rest of my questions.
 

DreadzTsung

"Darkness is the heart's true essence"
I think it is so funny how people try to be so intelligent using big words on here trying to belittle or make someone look bad. Give us fucking break already. You're not as smart as you think. Jackasses.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
It is a fact that PL is the only Raiden to win a major.

You are entitled to your opinion.

My grammar might be faulty but so is your interpretation. I don't care if people follow my point or not. It is just an opinion. If people think the same way as me or not doesn't really matter. What matter is that I can write in whatever way I want. You are giving an absolutist opinion in that things go over better in a simple way and a bigger write up would be obsolete. Show me where this has been proven. Show me and I won't do a big write up ever again.

Please show me why you say my opinion is absolutist and I will sure to change it cause it really wasn't meant to be that way.
Perfect Legend won with Kung Lao because of his reads and his understanding of the game. People di'nt know hos to exploit Kung Lao for two EVO'S. That is a fact.
This is a theory, not a fact. He may have been a better player, people may not have known how to exploit Kung Lao, these are all things that cannot be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt with a sample size as small as what you presented. You shouldn't attempt to pass things off as fact if you cannot back such claims up.

Your grammar is fine, but your approach is flawed fundamentally.

The ability to give ones opinion in a shorter manner reducing the odds of mistakes in the entire work are consistently proven both through practice and can even be proved mathematically using statistics and probability. The more you have of something, the more likely you are to provide error towards such things. Exponentially so, in fact. I'm not sure if you'd like me to provide you with an equation or actually calculate the probability of error (or margin of error) within your posts, but given enough time I can do so.

The phrase "get to the point" isn't just lip service either, you know.

3: Tight is good

Take a look at this excerpt from a suspense novel that reads like a Real Estate ad:
The late afternoon sun streamed through the balcony-facing, floor-to-ceiling windows.
By the time the reader has stumbled through the words ‘balcony-facing’ and ‘floor-to-ceiling’, any suspense has long evaporated.
To keep your readers’ attention, you need to shake loose and discard unnecessary words.
The fix - Cut out all adjectives and adverbs and re-insert only those that are absolutely necessary.

from:
http://writetodone.com/2012/08/15/how-to-write-better/

I find them to be somewhat reliable and the tips are pretty commonplace, though tip number 3 is the only necessary one for this. Specifically, the shaking loose and discarding of unnecessary wordage.


Before I can show you why you may hold an absolutist point of view, do you know what an absolutist point of view entails with inclusion to what I had already said? If so, then re-reading over your original post should show you at least 4 points where you held an absolutist view of the situation.

Kung Lao was unfairly nerfed and many other characters went under the radar and we now know in what beasts they turned out to be.
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He won it with an unfairly nerfed Kung Lao.
When you stated Kung Lao was "unfairly nerfed" in the first paragraph, it would be naturally taken as opinion. It was an adverb at the time, innocent enough in describing the action of nerfing him while other characters went untouched. As someone reading your post, I would question how "unfair" such a nerf was in reference to your previous post which you even reiterated upon when you said the quote "Unfairly nerfed? GTFOU" or however it was.

However, when you took said adverb and made it an adjective to describe the character, you are no longer simply giving an opinion on the degree of nerfing but directly attributing it to the specific character that is Kung Lao. You went from saying "The degree of the nerf was unfair to Kung Lao" (opinion, could be possibly greater or lesser than the speaker believes) to "Kung Lao won despite having been nerfed to an unfair degree" (the unfair nerf is an absolute instead of a possibility, the speaker showing the nerf was unfair).


As an example.

In my opinion, by the time of the second EVO for MK9 people still didn't know how to fight Kung Lao
Opinion, as stated. Could go either way, the sample size would be too small for just the one event with a lack of personal survey of any kind. It is a possibility, but reinforced by the phrasing of "in my opinion". Non-absolute.


Some of you might not believe me or maybe your ego's will make you deny my following statement. Perfect Legend won those two EVO'S for MK9 because he knew and played the game better than all of us. He outplayed all of us (MKC). He was on a higher level than most of the MKC. Many people just panicked and cowered at his Kung Lao. People where terrified of the teleport late/instant 3, his dashing in hitting buttons etc and many people didn't do shit to punish him. Nobody abused the fact that Kung Lao had no mid hitting starting normal and could only jail you with his most useful strings after a jump in punch.
This is basically the polar opposite of the above quote, the entire thing phrased in absolution. From the top...

Some of you might not believe me or maybe your ego's will make you deny my following statement.
This has the speaker pressing his statement as truth, as evident by the "Some of you may not believe me." This turning of phrase invokes the reader to see this as a "I have the truth, its your choice to accept it." Which is further accented by the proposition of denial of said statement, with the reader's ego being called into question. Raises fault with the reader's ability to hold their own opinion in contrast. Absolute, the speaker holds their statements as something that can be denied however does not outright admit or even hint at possible inaccuracy.

Perfect Legend won those two EVO'S for MK9 because he knew and played the game better than all of us. He outplayed all of us (MKC). He was on a higher level than most of the MKC.
All of the verbs hold no ground for leeway towards another argument. They are as the first line said, statements. They don't hold the same bearings as opinions which would be more along the lines of "He may have been on a higher level." or "He could have won because he knew and played the game better than us." All 3 sentences are absolute statements, being ones which take themselves as factual standings.

Many people just panicked and cowered at his Kung Lao.
Hyperbole. Its doubtful, but this looks to be more of an enhancer of the image presented.

People where terrified of the teleport late/instant 3, his dashing in hitting buttons etc and many people didn't do shit to punish him.
This is a statement that can go either way, he won so it can be taken as true that people weren't as strict on punishing him as they could have been, however at the same time it would be an overstatement to accept it as a whole.

Nobody abused the fact that Kung Lao had no mid hitting starting normal and could only jail you with his most useful strings after a jump in punch
This is the only statement barring the enhancement that could be taken as an acceptable absolute because of how it is worded. Using evidence and match videos, this statement would have enough of a sample to prove and justify. Regardless though, acceptable or not, it still stands as an absolute statement.


I could go on but this post is getting lengthly.
 

Solid

The Longbow Hunter.
This is a theory, not a fact. He may have been a better player, people may not have known how to exploit Kung Lao, these are all things that cannot be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt with a sample size as small as what you presented. You shouldn't attempt to pass things off as fact if you cannot back such claims up.

Your grammar is fine, but your approach is flawed fundamentally.

The ability to give ones opinion in a shorter manner reducing the odds of mistakes in the entire work are consistently proven both through practice and can even be proved mathematically using statistics and probability. The more you have of something, the more likely you are to provide error towards such things. Exponentially so, in fact. I'm not sure if you'd like me to provide you with an equation or actually calculate the probability of error (or margin of error) within your posts, but given enough time I can do so.

The phrase "get to the point" isn't just lip service either, you know.

3: Tight is good

Take a look at this excerpt from a suspense novel that reads like a Real Estate ad:
The late afternoon sun streamed through the balcony-facing, floor-to-ceiling windows.
By the time the reader has stumbled through the words ‘balcony-facing’ and ‘floor-to-ceiling’, any suspense has long evaporated.
To keep your readers’ attention, you need to shake loose and discard unnecessary words.
The fix - Cut out all adjectives and adverbs and re-insert only those that are absolutely necessary.

from:
http://writetodone.com/2012/08/15/how-to-write-better/

I find them to be somewhat reliable and the tips are pretty commonplace, though tip number 3 is the only necessary one for this. Specifically, the shaking loose and discarding of unnecessary wordage.


Before I can show you why you may hold an absolutist point of view, do you know what an absolutist point of view entails with inclusion to what I had already said? If so, then re-reading over your original post should show you at least 4 points where you held an absolutist view of the situation.
I already took care of the "that is a fact" thing. I meant to write it after the PL winning a major with Raiden and being the only one to do it. I agree with you on the longer your write up the bigger the chances of doing a mistake. That is commun logic. The "that is a fact" write up was small and I made a big mistake there. Good thing I'm not writing a novel.

You answered my question with a question. Just show me my absolutist opinion. (Btw I know what it means but I wan't the person asking for a simple and short write up while replying with a large one of their own, to explain it to me.) :)
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
To make it short, you ended with this in your final statement...

What I wrote here is a proven phenomenom.
What you just put in that short sentence was what made the entire ordeal of an absolutist stance. "Proven" means its factual unless stated otherwise, as is commonly used in language. You have proofing towards your stance, thus it is based within tried and true facts. Without this sentence at the bottom it would be a mixed stance which would weigh heavy on the absolutist side of things, especially on key points in the overall work. Including this sentence, you verify your work as a proven piece, or "factual theory" as it would be.

Placing your work as factual theory is absolutist.

"any theory holding that values, principles, etc., are absolute and not relative, dependent, or changeable."

You holding your theory as "proven" means such details that would lead it to change or things it would depend upon to do so have already been removed in favor of things that have shown to better represent your statement as have been produced by results. Instead of there being dependent details that could change said results, there are simply the final results as are stated. The absolute details that outline your work, as they are.
 

Solid

The Longbow Hunter.
This is a theory, not a fact. He may have been a better player, people may not have known how to exploit Kung Lao, these are all things that cannot be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt with a sample size as small as what you presented. You shouldn't attempt to pass things off as fact if you cannot back such claims up.

Your grammar is fine, but your approach is flawed fundamentally.

The ability to give ones opinion in a shorter manner reducing the odds of mistakes in the entire work are consistently proven both through practice and can even be proved mathematically using statistics and probability. The more you have of something, the more likely you are to provide error towards such things. Exponentially so, in fact. I'm not sure if you'd like me to provide you with an equation or actually calculate the probability of error (or margin of error) within your posts, but given enough time I can do so.

The phrase "get to the point" isn't just lip service either, you know.

3: Tight is good

Take a look at this excerpt from a suspense novel that reads like a Real Estate ad:
The late afternoon sun streamed through the balcony-facing, floor-to-ceiling windows.
By the time the reader has stumbled through the words ‘balcony-facing’ and ‘floor-to-ceiling’, any suspense has long evaporated.
To keep your readers’ attention, you need to shake loose and discard unnecessary words.
The fix - Cut out all adjectives and adverbs and re-insert only those that are absolutely necessary.

from:
http://writetodone.com/2012/08/15/how-to-write-better/

I find them to be somewhat reliable and the tips are pretty commonplace, though tip number 3 is the only necessary one for this. Specifically, the shaking loose and discarding of unnecessary wordage.


Before I can show you why you may hold an absolutist point of view, do you know what an absolutist point of view entails with inclusion to what I had already said? If so, then re-reading over your original post should show you at least 4 points where you held an absolutist view of the situation.



vs



When you stated Kung Lao was "unfairly nerfed" in the first paragraph, it would be naturally taken as opinion. It was an adverb at the time, innocent enough in describing the action of nerfing him while other characters went untouched. As someone reading your post, I would question how "unfair" such a nerf was in reference to your previous post which you even reiterated upon when you said the quote "Unfairly nerfed? GTFOU" or however it was.

However, when you took said adverb and made it an adjective to describe the character, you are no longer simply giving an opinion on the degree of nerfing but directly attributing it to the specific character that is Kung Lao. You went from saying "The degree of the nerf was unfair to Kung Lao" (opinion, could be possibly greater or lesser than the speaker believes) to "Kung Lao won despite having been nerfed to an unfair degree" (the unfair nerf is an absolute instead of a possibility, the speaker showing the nerf was unfair).


As an example.



Opinion, as stated. Could go either way, the sample size would be too small for just the one event with a lack of personal survey of any kind. It is a possibility, but reinforced by the phrasing of "in my opinion".
Dude anybody that knows this game knows that Kung Lao was unfairly nerfed based on his moveset and design. They took away options from him that weren't a problem to begin with. People only started fighting him properly much later in the game's lifespan and I'm sure a poll can be made and see if my statement will be backed up or I'm just talking bs. It is not solely my opinion that Kung Lao was unfairly nerfed either. It is the opinion of a vast majority. Even the developers stated later that he was unfairly nerfed making it absolute.

One thing I wish is to have your writing skills. You are good. Too bad you don't seem to understand that no matter how good your writing skills are and your knowledge of fundamentally correct writing that there is no need for your policing of people's write ups. In fact nobody has the right to do so unless there is a rule here on the site stating that all write ups should be fundamentally correct. While my writing might be fundamentally flawed you don't have the right to judge it. You can always give your opinion about an opinion that I have written about but there is no need to call me out on my writing. I could easily have written it in Dutch, Spanish, or Papiamento which languages I speak natively and have my college degree in and it would do no good here. I have to do my best to do so in a language that everybody can understand on this site and that they either take or discard. Too bad my grasp of the English language is not that great and things might be lost in translation. Still it gives you no right to police my writing fundamentals. I'm not writing so it can be judged by unkown people over the internet leading to nothing. If you really wanted to help me get better at writing a personal message would have been the most appropriate thing to do. I know I would handle it that way. In any case it is always good to learn something new.
 

Solid

The Longbow Hunter.
To make it short, you ended with this in your final statement...



What you just put in that short sentence was what made the entire ordeal of an absolutist stance. "Proven" means its factual unless stated otherwise, as is commonly used in language. You have proofing towards your stance, thus it is based within tried and true facts. Without this sentence at the bottom it would be a mixed stance which would weigh heavy on the absolutist side of things, especially on key points in the overall work. Including this sentence, you verify your work as a proven piece, or "factual theory" as it would be.

Placing your work as factual theory is absolutist.

"any theory holding that values, principles, etc., are absolute and not relative, dependent, or changeable."

You holding your theory as "proven" means such details that would lead it to change or things it would depend upon to do so have already been removed in favor of things that have shown to better represent your statement as have been produced by results. Instead of there being dependent details that could change said results, there are simply the final results as are stated. The absolute details that outline your work, as they are.
Now you lost my respect lol. You are taking things out of context. The "proven phenomenon" relates to the paragraph before the last one and to the following senteces. Maybe I should have wrtten it like this: What I have written in the paragraph before this one and what I will write in the next sentence are proven phenomenon. It takes time to master anything etc. etc.

It has gotten boring. I will continue this discussing at a later date.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Dude anybody that knows this game knows that Kung Lao was unfairly nerfed based on his moveset and design. They took away options from him that weren't a problem to begin with. People only started fighting him properly much later in the game's lifespan and I'm sure a poll can be made and see if my statement will be backed up or I'm just talking bs. It is not solely my opinion that Kung Lao was unfairly nerfed either. It is the opinion of a vast majority. Even the developers stated later that he was unfairly nerfed making it absolute.

One thing I wish is to have your writing skills. You are good. Too bad you don't seem to understand that no matter how good your writing skills are and your knowledge of fundamentally correct writing that there is no need for your policing of people's write ups. In fact nobody has the right to do so unless there is a rule here on the site stating that all write ups should be fundamentally correct. While my writing might be fundamentally flawed you don't have the right to judge it. You can always give your opinion about an opinion that I have written about but there is no need to call me out on my writing. I could easily have written it in Dutch, Spanish, or Papiamento which languages I speak natively and have my college degree in and it would do no good here. I have to do my best to do so in a language that everybody can understand on this site and that they either take or discard. Too bad my grasp of the English language is not that great and things might be lost in translation. Still it gives you no right to police my writing fundamentals. I'm not writing so it can be judged by unkown people over the internet leading to nothing. If you really wanted to help me get better at writing a personal message would have been the most appropriate thing to do. I know I would handle it that way. In any case it is always good to learn something new.
Your first paragraph only enforces my point, by reiterating their absolute view of it you are sharing the same view.

Saying I have no right to judge, but saying I have the right to an opinion is contradictory since a judgment is nothing more than an opinion at its core. Despite English not being your top language you are very good at it, and I give you props. I never critiqued your writing, just your stance. Your writing was fine, there were a few misspellings but nothing where it wasn't getting the point across, but your point was that of an absolutist. You took offense (even though its not an offensive statement to say you take things as fact) and I simply responded as you had asked me to. You asked me to point out the absolutist area of things and I did so. You had asked me to show where short messages were superior to longer rants and I did so. I noted you had some fallacy but its a common practice, outside of that all I did was advise you not to use personal attacks if you want people to follow your point.

To your statement that you didn't care if people followed it or not, you wouldn't have made this post on an online community forum unless you were looking to garner some support within the opposition. No one makes a post simply to be disagreed with, nor do people make posts without care for others opinions on a site in which an entire community can view it.

Honestly I was bored and looking for something to do, and this was an interesting discussion. Needless perhaps, but definitely interesting. You do have a strong point, though absolutist in nature that's not necessarily a bad thing. Its a point that is respectable, I don't share it but I never intended to debate it until you brought it to that point. I know you may have mistaken my statement, I did not mean to offend you and we do share the same view of smaller buffs and nerfs, tweaks and the like being best for the game instead of sweeping and steep nerfs and buffs.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Now you lost my respect lol. You are taking things out of context. The "proven phenomenon" relates to the paragraph before the last one and to the following senteces. Maybe I should have wrtten it like this: What I have written in the paragraph before this one and what I will write in the next sentence are proven phenomenon. It takes time to master anything etc. etc.
You wouldn't need to be that specific, but the statement being next to "till here I write" does miscommunicate the range of the statement.